Posted on 04/06/2016 9:32:05 AM PDT by TangledUpInBlue
Forget the establishment, Trump could not have done more damage to the Republican base if he was stumping for Hillary. He may just be working for the Demopublican establishment.
Forget the establishment, Trump could not have done more damage to the Republican base if he was stumping for Hillary. He may just be working for the Demopublican establishment.
There are two separate parts of winning an election, getting the votes and securing the delegates.
Trump did OK at the first when there were a billion candidates and did horribly at the later, as he has a sucky campaign staff.
Now his followers could do a couple things, they could get involved with the process and try to secure delegates, or they could post all day, calling Cruz supporters names, and photo shopping better than most.
Thank goodness for Ted Cruz, Trump supporters think the way to win is through social media and posting.
Thank goodness for Ted nullifying the votes of primary voters?
You folks don’t even have good “C” grade propaganda.
The GOPe set up a process through which they could defeat people they didn’t want to win.
Here you reveal you are down with that.
This is the same GOPe/RNC we have been railing against for decades, and yet you defend the nullifying of voters votes at the behest of it.
Dang, you folks are slow...
“It’s 95% at this moment.”
Yup! Cruze needs 732. there are 769 left to get. 732/769=.95 or 95%. Which means that when Trump gets in excess of 37 votes in NY, Cruze is mathematically excluded. Cruze reminds me of a flea climbing up an elepant’s leg with rape in mind! Even the Cruzers here on FR routinely put out lies to try and blunt the truth of the current situation. Personally, I can’t wait to stop hearing Cruze’ obnoxious voice on TV. I’m wearing out the mute button turning him off.
I called into a local talk show Monday night (John David Wells), he started off with the drafting of Ryan. I was with the 80% that said, Trump or Cruz is ok, but I'll not vote for anyone drafted at a contested convention.
The followup question was "you'll sit out even if it means Hillary being elected?" I responded, "without Trump or Cruz, it's no longer my problem."
Looking back on it, I should have answered it thusly with a quote from John Galt: "Look at yourself in the mirror, and ask yourself whether I would ever think that my moral stature is at the mercy of your actions. (page 1003)"
The "actions" I refer to is action by the GOP to cast aside Cruz and Trump, holders of more than 80% of the delegates. The GOP will be the party that's betraying our country, not those of us who would rightfully scorn the party should such an event occur.
The allegations:
Trump’s not a conservative (and may be ineligible, and has sex problems)
Cruz isn’t eligible (and is beholden to Wall Street influence-peddlers, and has sex problems)
Bernie is a commie
Hillary is, well...Hillary...and a commie in drag (and has sex problems)
Now what? (I don’t have any answers at this point...don’t jump down my throat! I’m not gonna fight with anybody today, ha!)
ps: See my little tag line
Correct. There's no way the delegate leader is going to be leap-frogged by the second place guy.
So either the delegate leader will get the nomination, or it will be someone else entirely.
That means that Ted Cruz is simply a spoiler. This will become painfully evident as soon as the Northeast primaries (not caucuses) take place, starting with New York.
Between them, Trump and Cruz will have well over the majority of delegates needed. So unless they strike a deal, it will be neither of them, which will destroy voter enthusiasm and give the election to Hillary.
“The GOPe set up a process through which they could defeat people they didn’t want to win.
Here you reveal you are down with that.”
Right you are DO! These Cruzers are fine with using the same tactics they claim that they and their candidate are running to stop. If Cruze will do what he’s been doing to win the nomination, there’s just no way he will be loyal to what he’s BSed his supporters into believing he stands for. So if by some amazing quirk of fate Cruze becomes president, it will be interesting to watch all the weeping and wailing of his supporters when he loads up the country with more aliens and finishes off our soverignty with the EU-line NA “alliance” or whatever he ends up calling it.Ted Cruze personnifies why “conseratives” have succeeded in effing themselves for nearly all of my 75 years. He’s another Tea Party “mistake.”
I don’t think Cruz actually believes he can get to 1237 before the convention. But I do think he believes he can keep Trump from doing the same. To him, that’s a victory and a shot at leveling the field come Cleveland.
I mean, that’s how I’d be advising him if I were working for him. Get as many as we can, and then take a shot at the convention. I think Kasich is being advised the same exact way or there would be little reason for him to stick around.
Speaking of slow. These rules were just recently put into place.....150 years ago. Trump and his followers are embarrassing themselves when they have no idea what the very simple rules are, and complain and whine and scream when the rules are followed.
I’m right there with you on all that.
Keep posting this, it drives the Establishment FReepers crazy : )
Agreed on every count...
” Trump is not going to walk into a contested convention. He will cut a deal way before the convention even starts. He’s a dealmaker that’s what he does.”
For this country’s sake, I hope you are right.
“I mean, that’s how I’d be advising him if I were working for him. Get as many as we can, and then take a shot at the convention. I think Kasich is being advised the same exact way or there would be little reason for him to stick around.”
And to you, this is ethical politics? For both Trump and Cruz, there is no “shot at the convention.” The only way the “outsiders” have a scintilla of a chance at the nomination is for one of them to exceed the 1237 requirement. Only Trump still has any chance at doing that. So you have to ask yourself, if it’s the desire of those of us who still value our freedom to put the GOPe out of business, what’s the ONLY path to doing that at this juncture? Answer: Donald Trump. I would have kept my positive opinion of Cruz had he behaved like an adult and run on the issues, but he’s shown us all that he’s simply another “smart lawyer” who thinks he can talk is way to the nomination by trashing his opponents with invective that has no place in politics. So yes, he may well keep Trump from the nomination, but in so doing, he helps the GOPe to stay in the driver’s seat and complete it’s destruction of our country for the benefit of their donors. It’s sad to see Freepers who are so imbued with Cruz that they are willing to see the detruction of their country to continue to support his candidacy. And here on FR the hubris of the Texas contingent is just astouding! They are so full of themselves and Cruz.
Once again, for the slow...
For Cruz at 27% of the popular vote to beat Trump at 37% of the popular vote, he will have to nullify close to 40% of the voters this campaign season, to steal away the nomination.
This process you defend. On what planet does it seem reasoned to let a guy that could barely muster 1/4 of the nomination process votes steal the victory from a man who got close to 40% of them with 17 candidates involved?
You’re GOPe/RNC centric. Why?
You don’t know we’ve been at war with them for decades?
You wish to support their tactics still?
“What no one is talkng about is that Cruz will go in to a contested convention than trump.”
Maybe you could translate this puzzling statement for those of us accustomed to clear thinking.
“trumpertantrums” More clever pejoratives from a slimy supporter of the reptilian Rafael Eduardo Cruz.
Oh, you object to that characterization of your slimy `Mr. Smith Goes To Washington’? Cruz’s character was demolished over the last thirty days.
Anyone defending anything worth defending would have filed a defamation lawsuit by now. The allegations leveled against him by the National Enquirer: they make up the man, the pure, christian conservative you support.
You Cruz supporters don’t need smarmy, too-cute names: all we have to do is determine that you support this loser, and it’s all we need to know. (The interesting thing is, you folks level these nicknames, then turn around in the next thread and actually complain of being abused on FR .... )
There is no way this GOP establishment tool, Rafael Cruz, can win. Even you muddle thinkers should be able to see that.
Ah! But the open convention ... like Winston dreaming of the Golden Country.
If Cruz weren’t such a chronic liar he might be honest with himself and recognize that the GOP loathes him as much now as they did back in February: as much as they loathe Trump.
The only thing different from now and then is that Cruz wasn’t a `sell-out’ then to the Open Borders/cheap labor, Beltway, Inner Parties crowd.
A Cruz delegate win is mathematically impossible from here on. That is what is known as a “categorical statement”: it is either true or false.
So now we remove our gas masks and depart the Peoples’ Democracy of Stinking Cheeses and head to Trump’s eastern strongholds.
So from now on, Ted is `Spoiler Ted.’
You Cruz zealots have deluded yourselves into thinking Cruz can win a contested convention. But the fact of the matter is that he’s still a beggar, as you say.
The Texas Lothario is a Republican National Committee whore now, and has been for quite a while—a spoiler for conservatives; it’s as if Jimmy Stewart threw up his hands half-way through the movie and said, “Screw it, you win.”
Ted Cruz, April 6, 2016: a “The buck stops anywhere but here!” Obama-channeling, habitual liar and thief with a wandering eye, constantly on the prowl ...
a wenching minister willing to turn over the White House to the establishment GOP, who will then hand it to a sadistic, insane criminal with an axe to grind, the old woman Jeb Bush pinned a medal on last year.
The only thing recommending him thus far seems to be that he appears to be heterosexual ... but as Curly said, “The day ain’t over yet.”
Freepers are known by the candidate they support. As written above, we don’t need nicknames for you Cruz supporters.
“Spoilers” will do from here on.
I think the Democrats have demonstrated who they are mostly afraid of. It isn’t Ted Cruz.
If there were only two candidates and one had the majority of the delegates that person should win.
Since there are four candidates with significant numbers of delegates then it is up to those candidates and by proxy their delegates to determine a winner.
I have a question for you, what if Donald Trump and Ted Cruz are both short going into the convention. Marco Rubio and John Kasich release their delegates and it gives Cruz a lead over Trump, but not 1237. Who should get the nomination?
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