Posted on 04/03/2016 1:46:59 PM PDT by Olog-hai
Gardaí arrested one person after scuffles broke out between protesters and the Public Order Unit outside Dublin’s Glasnevin Cemetery.
Efforts were made to burn a Union Jack and bangers were exploded, one of which was thrown at lines of gardaí and led to the brief altercation. […]
A group of about 100 people, mostly men, gathered to protest at the unveiling ceremony in the cemetery of a “Remembrance Wall” listing the names of all those who died in the 1916 Easter Rising, including British soldiers.
Many of those present carried banners and placards bearing the logo of the 32 County Sovereignty Movement.
One of them read: “British soldiers with our patriot dead? Not in my name.” …
(Excerpt) Read more at irishtimes.com ...
Please don’t try to go into tl;dr territory.
Vassalage is all about subordination. Ireland was subordinate to no power between 1948 and 1972; after 1972, they were subordinate to the EU (then called the EEC). So they went from being absolutely free to being unfree (subordinate to the EU, as the Third Amendment makes it clear that EU laws would have “the force of law in the [Irish] State”), which is not among the goals declared for Ireland in the 1916 proclamation; submitting to European regulations, directives and other dictates is against the declaration in the 1916 proclamation that “the unfettered control of Irish destinies ... be sovereign and undefeasible”.
Again, there is no commonality between the USSR and the USA working against the Third Reich and the IRB working with the native Irish communists, other than, as you say, believers happening to work with the godless towards a common goal. The USSR was not a satellite of that Reich albeit under attack, and it was in the best interest of the world that the Nazi regime be defeated swiftly. In Ireland, the situation was peaceful between it and Westminster, and it was instead communist agitation and propaganda that gave some the false impression that the goal of Ireland at the time (Home Rule) would have been withheld at the conclusion of World War I since its implementation was suspended due to that war; it was absolutely not a pressing issue to suddenly try to set up a native government by force when it was going to be done by legislation, even worse to suddenly create a new front for the war within the UK.
The Cork Examiner’s reporting tends to be skewed. Just like the Irish Times (admittedly) is skewed towards the EU, as it used to be skewed towards the UK in the past. Given the moral state of Ireland today, I wonder what was fought for; if it is the goals that the USSR sought (philosophy is based directly on hatred), then the Brits ought to have won that one, but they themselves have been conquered by the same godless philosophy.
Also given that the EU has worked as the USA’s enemy over the past few decades, I tend to brook not even the mildest defense of it.
You’re right; until the swine leave the north of our island, there is no reason to wish them well.
There are plenty of other countries with less claim to legitimacy and independence; Ireland is clear on both counts.
Did they make their case to the Vatican, who put them under English rule in the first place back in 1155, never mind authorized an invasion of Normans?
I mentioned on this thread that the 1916 proclamation states that “the right of the people to the ownership of Ireland and to the unfettered control of Irish destinies ... be sovereign and indefeasible”. Membership in the EU destroys both those rights; the Third Amendment directly states that EU regulations and directives must have “the force of law in the (Irish) State”; that destroys sovereignty, as does having a foreign currency (the euro).
The Irish had 140,000 volunteers in WW1. Many of them from what is now Eire. 35,000 of them were killed. I do not have the statistics of those crippled and lost limbs in that horrible carnage. There must have been a large number.
Though I cannot claim to be of Irish descent, my great grandfather was born in County Cork of two English parents 1834.
I don’t think Ireland could care less what the Vatican thinks at this point. By your reckoning, does every member of the UN surrender its independence?
In WWI Ireland wasn’t independent; when Round II started in 1939, they were - and promptly sat it out.
England at this point is stuck with a welfare state in the north (as the industry has died), which their transplanted subjects (moved there over the centuries to solidify their claim to it) refuse to abandon - and demand to be maintained there on the dole.
On the vow of the British commander not to be moved. I will have to read up on this, but think you may have another battle. Could have been Sir Edward Pakenham at the Battle of New Orleans 1815. Contrary to the Johnny Horton song, the British did not "run like rabbits". They suffered ten times the American losses and Pakenham was killed.
Colonel Ferguson was blowing his silver whistle which was to signal his men to rally. Six small arms shots killed him.
Thanks for your input. The Wikipedia description describes Ferguson as being killed by sharpshooters; the fellow interviewed named his ancestor that he claimed killed him in such fashion.
Basically, yes they do. Alger Hiss patterned the UN Charter after the 1936 USSR constitution for one purpose, and that was to make it the stepping stone to a one-world tyrannical government. The USSR’s influence within the UN cannot be denied, especially their negative influence on the USA with its veto power; the Islamic bloc and Red China take their cues from that legacy, as does Putin today. (I hope the mention of the UN does not bespeak some kind of inordinate trust in that entity?)
By your reckoning, does every member of the UN surrender its independence?
To whom? Or to what country?
No provision of this Constitution … prevents laws enacted, acts done or measures adopted by the Communities or institutions thereof (today’s EU) from having the force of law in the State.Once you let an alien government impose legislation on you, that is surrender of sovereignty and independence. Never mind to a government that has no separation of powers and gives legislative power to unelected bureaucrats while the elected body is a rubber stamp that has no power whatsoever to write any laws.
No, I just wanted to make sure Ireland was in the same position as hundreds of other countries.
Lots of countries are in subjection to foreign powers. Does that make it the desired status quo, though?
“Vassalage is all about subordination. Ireland was subordinate to no power between 1948 and 1972”
Until the 1920’s Ireland was oppressed by the English who stole their land, banned their language, suppressed their religion, and killed their people. You keep avoiding those facts. The EU has killed exactly NO ONE in Ireland. Ireland can leave the EU any damn time it wants and not a single shot need be fired. You keep ignoring these facts.
Nothing you can possibly say will change what is factual. Ireland is MORE FREE now than it was in 1920. That’s just a fact.
“Again, there is no commonality between the USSR and the USA working against the Third Reich and the IRB working with the native Irish communists”
Of course there is. We worked hand in glove with communists to kill Nazis. The Irish worked with communists to overthrow Englishman. Some Irish were even willing to work with the Nazis against the English. Those are just facts. If the USSR had invaded and occupied much of the U.S.A. in 1939 we would gladly have accepted Nazi help to get rid of them. If you doubt that for even a single second, then you have no understanding of history whatsoever. Desperate nations will form friendships and alliance with anyone who can help them. That’s just a fact.
The EU doesn’t have a single tank, or warplane, or warship, or soldier in Ireland. Not one. The English had thousands of soldiers and auxiliaries. That’s just a fact.
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