Posted on 04/01/2016 5:03:48 AM PDT by Bratch
Townhall reporter Guy Benson today admitted the Cruz campaign is stealing Trump delegates in states that Trump won.
The Ted Cruz campaign is running Cruz supporters as Trump delegates in states that Trump won. That way they can steal the nomination from Trump in Cleveland although they’ve only won a fraction of the states Trump has won.
Guy Benson: This has been percolating for several months. He has a very sharp legal team that know the rules inside and out in a way the Trump campaign clearly does not. It’s not just Louisiana. And it’s not just finagling to just get Rubio delegates or unbound delegates. What they’re also doing is getting people elected as Trump delegates who are not, in fact, Trump loyalists. So they would be bound to Donald Trump on the first ballot only. After which, although they are technically Trump delegates, they’ve been sort of put in place to jump.
And these are the same people who call Trump supporters ‘morons’ one day and beg them to support Ted Cruz the next.
CONFIRMED: Cruz Camp Stealing Trump Delegates at State Level
Huh, what? How is anything anyone is doing going to stop a candidate with the majority of delegates from winning on the first ballot?
Trump isn’t about rules...he thinks he should be awarded the nomination!!!
You people can defend Ted all you want but it’s wrong. If Trump did this i’d be very disappointed in him, not even sure I’d still vote for him. Just because the RNC made stealing legal doesn’t make it right.
But then Cruz supporters know who he is and that doesn’t stop them.
These arguments are like well, the establishment will change the rules next election. They’ll have it that you have to have 2,000 delegates to win on the first ballot. The establishment makes sure they keep in at least 3 in the race. That making sure no one can get the 2,000 so it will always be chosen by the establishment from then on? That’s to say this isn’t going to happen from now on? Once they get their man in this time the rules will forever be written their way?
I hope that amounts to something. At this point, however, it is pretty obvious that Trump doesn’t have the organization necessary to protect delegates and motivate the grass roots. That becomes even more important after the primary. Trump is trying to run his campaign on the cheap. That needs to change. If this isn’t the wake up call he needs to shake things up and start investing in infrastructure then, Houston, we have a problem.
Bears repeating.
“There’s no usurping of the people’s will here. The delegates elected to vote for Trump at the convention will do so as required by the rules. On the first ballot. End of discussion. All of this (what’s discussed in the article) only will come into play if no one has the magic number come convention time.”
Not only that, isn’t the Trump campaign vetting their delegates before they are chosen to be sure they are loyal? If not, that’s a big blunder and shows a lack of experience and knowledge.
Each convention writes its own rules.
Regardless, if you try to follow my argument, you see that enacting a “Trump rule” whereby the “guy with the most votes” (plurality) automatically wins is a recipe for more shenanigans and division in the future.
You will see multiple candidates staying in the race and the plurality of the winner getting smaller and smaller.
Meanwhile, minority fringe candidates with no support from the party will win the nomination, then fail miserably in the general
Do you really want to automatically nominate the guy with 22% support who is all for stopping global warming and increasing immigration?
Maybe stop focusing on this one guy (Trump) winning and try thinking in abstract, objective terms. What is a party for? Why would it select a nominee who holds positions opposite to a majority of its members?
Following the rules and planning ahead is “stealing?” Yet, not being willing to change the rules (being close to 1237 is good enough!) is somehow the only legitimate process?
This is getting very confusing!
If the GOP even tries to do what you're implying, it will mean the end of the party. I don't believe kamikaze is their style which is why I believe he met with the party elites yesterday.
The message should be clear. If Trump is going to be the guy, he needs to start acting more presidential and work to unite the party rather than engaging in 7th grade schoolyard nonsense.
He also needs to get better people working for him because he's being outplayed on the ground. That's because he's not spending money. You cannot save your way to prosperity in a national election.
You can be reactive or proactive. I prefer he be the latter, especially if he's going to take on the Clinton/DNC machine. He has no idea what is coming at him. At some point, he needs a wake up call. Let's hope this is it.
“under the old rule (pre kookpaul) it was a PLURALITY of the delegates and five states.”
Completely and utterly false. It has been a MAJORITY of delegates for 160+ years.
Trump running as a Third Party candidate will make it easier for democrats who hate everything republican to vote Trump and feel okay about doing so. Trump is perhaps the most viable third party candidate we’ve ever seen.
You know Cruz supporters can play that game!!!
Ok, I understand what you’re saying and it does make sense. So a none political person has little or on chance of being President because he is coming into this ground game strategy way late in the game?
“And if Trump was doing this the Cruz people would go ballistic about how underhanded and evil Trump is”
Not true for me at all. In fact, I EXPECT Trump to be making deals for delegates for every ballot after the First. There will be plenty of wheeling and dealing by both Trump and Cruz. That is what is SUPPOSED to happen.
And you would be singing a different tune!!!
First thing, Trump never quits
He just doesn’t
It’s his mantra to others, probably his own kids
Second if Rafael ends up with 1237 delegates and 4 million less popular votes than Trump, then any victory he claims will be pyrrhic
Don’t care what the “ rules” say when people just keep rewriting them
Funny but that’s how the totalitarians of the right and the left legitimize themselves .... By writing rules to keep themselves in power ...the North Koreans are real sticklers for the rules, Saddam, Hugo Chavez,.... Real sticklers for the rules . And the rules made sure they won, every time
As for the end of the party,. then they should have thought about that when they got cruz and Kasich to do their dirty work.
the party is dead to me and many others.
Well, it is designed to be a system whereby a person who is active in the party (and friendly with a lot of people who are in it) gathers support and wins the nomination.
Now a completely out of it maverick could always win like Trump is trying to, by simply winning the delegates he needs on the first ballot.
If he has to rely on actual relationships with actual people who are delegates, he will probably be way underplayed.
No! One candidate knows the rules and is playing to win....the other is trying to ignore the rules a be awarded the nomination.
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