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News for the elites: We're already in a trade war and we're losing our ass!

Posted on 03/03/2016 5:42:56 PM PST by Jim Robinson

They're killing us and we're not even bothering to fight back. What do we manufacture in the U.S. anymore? Where have all our manufacturing jobs gone? Why can't we be competitive? Why are our costs so high?

Is government the solution or the problem?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; FReeper Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Alabama; US: New York; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2016election; alabama; economy; election2016; h1b; jeffsessions; jobs; mexico; newyork; obamatrade; tisa; tpa; tpp; trade; tradewar; trump; wikileaks
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To: Jim Robinson

Our #1 job killer is the FedGov. Not China. Not India. Not Mexico. The only way out is limiting the role of government in our lives. The only way to do that is making the government follow the constitution.


21 posted on 03/03/2016 6:39:59 PM PST by optiguy
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To: Cobra64

> “...business, economics, accounting, trade, finance. This stuff is second nature to Trump.”

Boy, you said it. This is so true. All one has to do is look for old videos on YouTube to see Donald testify before Congress on trade, banking, taxes, insurance, jobs and you will see the members of Congress in awe of his mastery in business and finance. He’s an outlier and you can ask any professor of business to comment and they can’t deny that Donald Trump is one in a billion in these matters.


22 posted on 03/03/2016 6:41:12 PM PST by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Jim Robinson

thank you for speaking out about this huge issue buried by the news media.


23 posted on 03/03/2016 6:57:15 PM PST by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: Jim Robinson

I think world leaders decided to use global free trade to develop undeveloped nations and wrote agreements to accomplish that. It was a massive wealth transfer on a global level.

The globalist ideology (been around forever) is one to accomplish world peace and the elite believe poverty causes war. They also want control over the world’s people and resources.

So take their liberal thinking and activity here and make it on a global level and this is what we have. We are to be the Detroit of the Globe.


24 posted on 03/03/2016 6:59:02 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Jim Robinson

The US oil and gas business got put out of business in 15 months - even major oil cos are zombie companies.


25 posted on 03/03/2016 7:00:42 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Jim Robinson

Lets describe some trade war facts.

1) Clinton & Goldman Sachs Treas Sec Rubin did more to send jobs from Mexico to Asia than any Trade deal. The destruction of Mexican jobs and the Mexican economy is precisely why immigration from Mexico dramatically increased.

To be against immigration is to be for offshoring jobs. To be for immigration is to be for keeping the jobs here.

Example. In 30+ Fortune 100 IT shops Ive repeatedly seen where 3 big projects have budget. But they cant find sufficient staff. They have a choice: 1) offshore the project to India or Ireland or 2) Kill some of the projects or 3) Hire immigrants. Ive seen some of each. Ive trained Indians to take my job to India. Ive worked beside IT immigrants with green cards, H1b, Tourist and student visas and no visa. Ive tried to recruit citizens to open jobs and been told their happy with unemployment comp.

When appliance manufacturers bought their sheet steel from Korea Bush put sheet steel in the war to force them to buy American steel. The result was the appliance manufacturers left Michigan and Iowa for Asia. We lost that trade war.

Cutting off our nose to spite our face is not the solution.

Solution:
1) RePatriate the Trillions of dollars American companies hold over seas because the taxes on bringing the money here are unacceptable. If necessary, tie strings on how the untaxed money is to be used to create jobs, manufacturing jobs or whatever.

2) Abolish EPA, FTC and many more regulatory bodies and regulations.

3) Simplify the tax system. No picking winners and losers.

4) Many other parts to the solution. We have seen some of them debated elsewhere.


26 posted on 03/03/2016 7:07:29 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: Jim Robinson

In a land with the brightest people, industrious people, resourceful people... in a land with trillions of dollars of natural resources... in a land with the reserve currency for the entire planet, there is absolutely no reason we should be coming up on the short end of the stick when it comes to trade. Our leaders have been selling our birthright to enrich themselves.

Trade can be mutually beneficial, but it does not work when we over regulate ourselves and do not require our foreign competitors to operate under the same standards. Arbitrary minimum wages (and all of those union wages that are tied to them) drive up the cost of making things here. This is directly tied to heavy tax burdens to support unearned entitlements which makes the cost of living too high to work for wages below a certain threshold. (There are times when not working pays better than working.)

And we must demand that our trade partners, like China and India, enforce treaties that protect our intellectual property rights.


27 posted on 03/03/2016 7:10:49 PM PST by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: Jim Robinson

I disagree that “they” are killing us. IMO, “we” are killing us.

A lot of manufacturing, and other, jobs have left the US (or perhaps more accurately, new jobs are being created elsewhere that we are used to being “ours”). A large part of the world is “emerging”, just like we did a hundred and some odd years ago when we moved from a 95% agricultural labor force to 5% . That’s just going to happen. We have had a very odd position for quite awhile (why should the US have a larger economy than China, when they have like four times as many people as we do?) That just can’t last forever.

As these nations emerge, their wages are going to rise in relation to ours That’s just the way it’s going to be. No amount of tariffs or trade barriers, etc, are going to change the fact that the world is not going to want to continue to pay much higher wages to US workers if they can get the same quality product elsewhere for less.

What we should be doing is taking advantage of this (temporarily) cheap labor. We could be, and to some extent are, robbing these people blind. Again, it won’t last, but why not buy stuff when it’s on sale?

Unfortunately, we’re making a couple huge mistakes. One, we’re buying cheap crap that needs to be replaced (or in the case of offshoring IT, we’re getting crap service that’s almost always, in my experience, not even worth what we’re paying for it).

The other, and IMO the really huge mistake, is that we are paying people not to work and pricing others out of the job market via things like minimum wage and Obamatax, which then drives folks to look for “alternative” (aka illegal) sources of labor. I hate any sort of monkeying around with the free market, but what really drives me up the wall here is what that nonsense is going to do to our work ethic. How are teenagers going to learn the value of earning a dollar? How are teenagers going to learn what it feels like to have large amounts of their pay confiscated before they ever see it, and start voting Conservative from day one (well, if they have the opportunity — I voted for GHWB when I was 18, but only because Reagan couldn’t run again)?

The world is changing. We can’t stop that. I believe in American Exceptionalism. I think that Americans are, while still imperfect as all but One man will ever be, on the whole better people than the rest of the world. But our unique economic position is not going to last forever. As the world changes, we need to be taking advantage of the opportunities presented by change in a way that maximizes value in the long term. I don’t think we’re doing that. We’re doing the opposite, using our good credit to borrow ourselves into bankruptcy so we don’t have to break a sweat (that’s a general statement, not meant to insult the millions of honest hard working Americans who wake up sore every morning just to go out and do it again).


28 posted on 03/03/2016 7:24:01 PM PST by Darth Reardon (During the Great Depression, World War I was referred to as the Great War)
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To: spintreebob
Example. In 30+ Fortune 100 IT shops Ive repeatedly seen where 3 big projects have budget. But they cant find sufficient staff. They have a choice: 1) offshore the project to India or Ireland or 2) Kill some of the projects or 3) Hire immigrants. Ive seen some of each. Ive trained Indians to take my job to India. Ive worked beside IT immigrants with green cards, H1b, Tourist and student visas and no visa. Ive tried to recruit citizens to open jobs and been told their happy with unemployment comp.

Welfare and unemployment insurance reform will be a better solution, than immigrants, IMO.

Unemployed who have drawn past 2 months are just not looking. It would take some restructuring, but the following is basic idea.

The able bodied men (and women, to be fair) can report to recycling centers and sort the garbage, or pick up trash along the roads for their checks....or, those with an education can accept temporary offers from companies that require their skills, with potential for full time offers.

Even single moms, can stuff envelopes at home, sort and bag food at the local food bank.

The idea is get them working for their money rather than sitting at home eating Bon-bons or watching football games on TV.

I think you'd find many welfare recipients and the terminally unemployed change their tune about their “free money” if this occurred.

29 posted on 03/03/2016 7:31:14 PM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: KittenClaws

No unemployment comp tax. No unemployment benefit.
Each employee has his pay increased by the amount of the tax. Maybe to get it passed, the taxpayers kick in a little.

Then mandatory payment of that money into a RAINY DAY IRA type account that also holds both employer and employee parts of Social Security, Medicare, and other taxes.

When a person is unemployed he then has the option to dip into his savings... his RAINY DAY ACCOUNT or to quickly take what job is available. The same with being sick and personal days. This whole idea that the employer should be involved in the personal lives of the employee outside work is a major mistake.


30 posted on 03/03/2016 7:49:10 PM PST by spintreebob
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To: spintreebob

No unemployment comp tax. No unemployment benefit.
Each employee has his pay increased by the amount of the tax. Maybe to get it passed, the taxpayers kick in a little.

Then mandatory payment of that money into a RAINY DAY IRA type account that also holds both employer and employee parts of Social Security, Medicare, and other taxes.

When a person is unemployed he then has the option to dip into his savings... his RAINY DAY ACCOUNT or to quickly take what job is available. The same with being sick and personal days. This whole idea that the employer should be involved in the personal lives of the employee outside work is a major mistake.


Except for the part about the taxpayers kicking in any amount for the unemployment benefits of others or mandatory IRA’s, that is a good idea.


31 posted on 03/03/2016 8:00:51 PM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: Jim Robinson

“Donald Trump did not steal your money;

Washington D.C. did that...

Donald Trump did not raise your taxes;

Washington D.C. did that...

Donald Trump did not quadruple the price of food;

Washington D.C. did that...

Donald Trump is not stirring a race war;

Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not leave any US soldiers in Benghazi to be slaughtered and desecrated by Muslims;

Hillary Clinton and Obama did that..

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Donald Trump did not send the US Navy to fight for Al-Qaeda/ISIS in Syria and Iraq;

Hillary Clinton and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not arm ISIS and systematically exterminate Christians throughout the Middle East;

Hillary Clinton and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not betray Israel;

Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not provide financing and technology to Iran’s nuclear weapons program;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not give our military secrets to China;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not remove our nuclear missile shield in Poland;

Obama and Clinton did that...

Donald Trump did not shrivel our military, and betray our veterans;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not cripple our economy;

Washington D.C. did that...

Donald Trump did not increase our debt to 20 trillion dollars;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that..

.
Donald Trump did not ruin our credit, twice;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not double African American unemployment;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not increase welfare to a record level for eight years; Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not sign a law making it legal to execute, and imprison Americans;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not set free all of terrorists in Guantanamo bay;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump did not steal your rights, violate US Constitutional law, or commit treason, hundreds of times;

Washington D.C. and Obama did that...

Donald Trump is being ripped apart in the news, non stop.

Barrack Hussein, Hillary Clinton and the criminals occupying our government, are protected and glorified by the same media.

The media is the (NeoCon Republican and) Democratic Party.

Save your culture. Stop listening to them.

He has said NOTHING derogatory about MEXICANS …. He has said what American citizens KNOW….. This country has to close its borders to ILLEGAL Immigration!

*Without sound borders you don’t have a nation.*

Finally, someone who tells the truth! It’s what this country needs!

Donald Trump 2016 Make America Great AGAIN………


32 posted on 03/03/2016 8:39:11 PM PST by HarleyLady27 ('THE FORCE AWAKENS!!!' Trump; Trump; Trump; Trump; 100%)
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To: Jim Robinson

33 posted on 03/03/2016 8:47:26 PM PST by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Reverend Wright

bump


34 posted on 03/03/2016 8:51:34 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Nuc 1.1

yup


35 posted on 03/03/2016 8:52:24 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: free from tyranny

definitely


36 posted on 03/03/2016 8:52:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: SaraJohnson

you nailed it.


37 posted on 03/03/2016 8:53:53 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: spintreebob

We have millions unemployed and we’re so short handed we have to import foreign labor? Something doesn’t add up.


38 posted on 03/03/2016 8:56:40 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: unlearner

Amen.


39 posted on 03/03/2016 8:57:31 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to to God!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Is government the solution or the problem?

The economy is something that the government has unlimited power to hurt, but very limited ability (or the needed wisdom) to help.

Even if the US were a closed economy and it weren't cheaper for manufacturing to be done overseas, it's likely that the number of manufacturing jobs would decline due to advances in factory automation and robotics. As I understand it, US manufacturing output continues to grow, not shrink, but the number of jobs in manufacturing will probably continue to go down regardless of what government does - and anything government does is likely to raise prices for consumers.
40 posted on 03/03/2016 8:59:23 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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