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To: Chainmail
Rather than work to crack the union's hold and renegotiate wages to stay competitive, you are all for trashing our country's industrial base

It's got nothing to do with me and it ain't my job, I don't own Carrier. Take it up with their union. The only thing that "renegotiates" anything with a union is a threatened or actual plant closing or a threatened or actual bankruptcy.

Hostess Brands is a good recent example from 2012. The Teamsters were told if they don't want to renegotiate the company will be put into bankruptcy and then sold off in pieces. They voted no.

The bakers union went on strike. Now, none of them work for the old Hostess, but many of them work for the new Hostess and other buyers of pieces of the bankrupt company, all at wages that reflect reality.

That's how it usually goes. Private sector unions have gone from almost 40% of the labor force to about 6% over the last 60-70 years. They almost always think they can continue to extort their employer forever -- until the point where they are unemployed.

US manufacturing is at an all-time high, we just do it with a lot fewer employees. And most of it is high-tech/high-value/highly-paid stuff, not cheap consumer goods people see from China in a Walmart.

There's no avoiding either automation or export to the non-union south or entirely out of the country of low-skill tab A in slot B assembly jobs.

It ain't Carrier's (or anyone elses) job make anything in the US, it's their job to make a profit and stay in business. They fail to do that and nobody at Carrier will have a job.

Got a problem with that? Blame the unions who have been chasing business south and offshore for many decades, not to mention accelerating the use of robotics. Extortion isn't a good business model.

And save your childish insults, they make you look unserious.

52 posted on 02/21/2016 8:26:15 PM PST by AntiScumbag
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To: AntiScumbag

Your perspective is startlingly anti-American: this country will only survive if we look to the future of all of our children, even those on the left side of the median intelligence curve. This country doesn’t succeed because somebody, somewhere profits. It will only survive if the future includes all of us as Americans.

Carrier always had a choice. They could have kept American manufacturing and let all of us know that would cost more but they were getting American quality. Or they could do what they did and bail and lose my business and many more like me.

We have to start getting our act together as a country or we can kiss it goodbye.


53 posted on 02/23/2016 11:36:27 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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