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self | 2/4/2016 | LS

Posted on 02/04/2016 10:23:44 AM PST by LS

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To: txhurl

Okay well what is that bombshell?


81 posted on 02/04/2016 11:25:23 AM PST by Cats Pajamas (Trump or Cruz or lose!!!)
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To: demshateGod
No more amnesty PAC paid, career politicians or Junior Senators or lawyers!!

ONLY Trump is NOT PAC owned and has had to manage and make a payroll. The others are nothing but inexperienced Goldman Sachs/Microsoft/Google hacks.

No thanks!!

82 posted on 02/04/2016 11:31:00 AM PST by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: Cats Pajamas
I doubt that Rubio is gay or bi-.

But I do think that if, like JFK, Obama, Cruz, or Rubio you get the tremendous honor of being elected to your first term in the US Senate and immediately discover a)that it isn't enough, and b)that what REALLY should have happened is that they should have made you President; then I think you have a character defect that requires more digging.

The "young Marco gay porn" story isn't really a gay porn story - it's a story about a kid just growing out of adolescence and so desperate to break out of his trajectory and get one foot on the ladder up and out that he will do ANYTHING - including run with a shady character as long as he gets something out of the deal.

And, not for nothing (as we NY values types say) - we know JFK and Obama have shady sexual secrets. If Rubio does, too, it gives another area in the life of the very ambitious young Senator from Texas.

83 posted on 02/04/2016 11:33:06 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown Are by desperate appliance relieved Or not at all.)
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To: LS; All
”*The polls were horribly wrong. …”

The polls were probably no more wrong then when lawless Obama was reelected, the Democrats probably stuffing the ballot boxes to get revenge on George Bush 43 for ”stealing” the election from Al Gore.

Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud

But this time around, the ”ballot box stuffing” allegedly came from the Cruz campaign, his campaign being accused of lying to Carson supporters at the last minute that Carson was quitting the race.

And if what is being said about Cruz campaign turns out to be true then I will very reluctantly be voting for Cruz.

So although the polls were arguably wrong, they were possibly not wrong for the reason that the Cruz campaign possibly wanted everybody to think.

84 posted on 02/04/2016 11:34:25 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: LS
Likewise, Cruzers, it blows out of the water the notion that "Cruz does better than Trump against Hillary." We don't know now, good or bad.

No, it proves the polls are underestimating Cruz, as I suspected. He is going to do even better against Hillary than the polls show.

85 posted on 02/04/2016 12:04:49 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: dfwgator

I JUST WISH THEY WOULD ALL RECALL REAGANS’ 11TH COMMANDMENT

All they are doing is giving the media fodder


86 posted on 02/04/2016 12:05:39 PM PST by Mr. K (Maybe people are poor BECAUSE they vote democrat.)
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To: ifinnegan

I could rip Cruz a new one in order to keep up with you teddy bears. But it’s better to focus on open borders Rubio.


87 posted on 02/04/2016 12:07:06 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: LS
Whatever happened with Carson/Cruz, the biggest takeaway of this caucus and the biggest negative for Trump is that his strength---his business acumen and organization---took a severe hit.

All of this about Trump's childish character has long been known to those willing to have studied his background. Honestly, it only takes an hour or two. He's a first rate open borders whore, and always has been. No, what took a hit was your mistaken understanding of his business acumen and personal character. He thought he could get away without the expense of a ground game. He was wrong. In New Hampshire he's still wrong. That strategy won't work until he gets to Super Tuesday, but after showing his obvious petulance as a loser, he may not get that far intact.

Trump does not have the kind of cash he says he does, especially after the Resorts bankruptcy of 2014. Virtually all his assets are illiquid. He sure as hell can't sell or hock "goodwill." Hence, Trump can't afford the cash for a ground game and still buy advertising time without hocking everything (as he's been known to do by the way). He had to do this with tweets and free air time courtesy of the MSM or else to the well hat in hand no longer capable of pretending he can't be bought.

88 posted on 02/04/2016 12:26:20 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: Electric Graffiti

Honestly I don’t know who will come in second in NH... Assuming Trump performs and wins, 2nd and 3rd are kind of wide open... Bush, as much as folks don’t care for him has pretty much bet the farm on NH if he doesn’t perform in NH, then its pretty much all over for him, though he probably will stick around until Super Tuesday at least on paper.

Rubio I would think would be the most likely to get a bump from IA, as its really the establishment voting block that is fractured... anything that seems to give any one of them momentum will likely begin to bring others to them, in this case, Rubio’s stronger than expected showing in IA will likely gain him some points in NH... Enough to put him in 2nd or 3rd place? I don’t know.

If Trump under performs, Cruz will be the most likely beneficiary of that I would think, but again, as I have said time and again.. its politics so who the hell knows.

The danger for the outside type candidate, like Trump is that the establishment voters coalesce around a single candidate before they are able to leverage their momentum. I think Trump has to win the nomination outright at the polls, because if he or to a lesser extent Cruz head into the convention without a clear, overwhelming majority, the establishment will simply say EFFF the voters, and anoint the highest establishment player the candidate, even if it means they alienate 1/3 or 1/5 of their base in the process. Make no mistake, establishment republicans would far prefer to remain kingmakers even if that king is the candidate from the other party at the end, than lose their position and power letting someone like a Trump win the nomination.

Anyway, Back to the question, who is second? Well That’s the million dollar question isn’t it? Cruz and Rubio by latest polls seem to be 2 and 3, though the order is up in the air, but Christie, Kasich and Bush are in the hunt as well, while polling lower, are still in the top 6. Not from NH so I have no idea what is going on on the ground there, so frankly seeing Kasich polling in the top 5 anywhere just stuns me... but since I’m not on the ground in NH, don’t really know the whole story.

I will say if Cruz goes below third, that spells some trouble for him, even third place spells some trouble, long term for him. IF Rubio takes 2nd, or better, he’s certain to gain more establishment voters in coming states, as the establishment field shrinks... Trump and Cruz are really likely to only peel votes from each other, not that they won’t be able to get a few votes here and there as candidates drop out, but I am hard pressed to see say a Kasich voter moving to a Trump or a Cruz.

So, if I had to say top 3? Trump Cruz Rubio, with 2 and 3 being in either order. However not being on the ground there.. I think the most likely Establishment candidate to top out at this point is likely Rubio... but other candidates are polling higher there than nationally because they are betting the farm so to speak there, so Its not beyond the pair to think a Bush or Kasich or even Christie winds up winning the establishment vote unexpectedly.

For Rubio though, if this were to happen, this would force everyone to reevaluate, just as much as Trump not coming in first would. If Rubio can’t capitalize on his IA performance in NH, his argument for being the defacto establishment candidate goes up in smoke quickly.

Not being on the ground in NH its really hard to fully say what is going to happen, because for me sitting here in PA, its beyond flaberghasting that Kasich is polling in the top 5 there, but obviously he is.

IF Cruz finishes outside of the top 3 as well, this will be a negative for his campaign, because for him not to be in the top three means he’s lost support to Trump on one of the Establishment politicians and that’s not a good thing long term.

So, I think if Trump underperforms Optics Change drastically... ALso If Cruz or Rubio miss the top 3, the optics change significantly... If however all perform as currently expected, and you get a Trump with Cruz and Rubio as the top 3 (order of the 2 and 3 interchangeable) the long term optics only change in that it becomes hard for any other establishment candidate to argue that Rubio isn’t going to be the defacto establishment candidate.

Time will tell.


89 posted on 02/04/2016 12:44:59 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
I am a Cruz supporter, mostly impressed by his work as Solicitor General as his work as U.S. Senator which is inherently low risk if you are inthe right state.

You have made a great case for Rubio. He managed to chase Charlie Crist out of the party without having to fire a shot.

I am hopeful that these rumors about Rubio are just that. Otherwise it would seem that Florida politics has nothing BUT pervs (Crist, Reno) and Bushes, and that would be sad.
90 posted on 02/04/2016 12:50:04 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Jim Noble
If Rubio does, too, it gives another area in the life of the very ambitious young Senator from Texas.

All those Cubans look alike.
91 posted on 02/04/2016 12:51:54 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: Dr. Sivana

I honestly would love to see Ted Cruz on the Supreme Court. Absolutely perfect for his unbending approach to things and strict constitutionalism. Best of all, we could never get anyone else that hard-line conservative on the Court. But the rest of the Senate hates him so much that probably even Dems would vote to confirm just to get him out of there!

Rubio obviously has flaws - they all do.


92 posted on 02/04/2016 1:20:21 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: demshateGod
Trump is the most evil of the evils running, and between Bernie/Hillary and Trump, the former are less evil than the latter.

Now Bill, you know Hillary told you not to play on the computer.

93 posted on 02/04/2016 1:34:39 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Guess we’ll see. I still prefer him to St. Ted.


94 posted on 02/04/2016 2:00:16 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: sportutegrl

Sorry, if polls can’t be trusted, you don’t know WHAT they can’t be trusted about. Can’t have it both ways.


95 posted on 02/04/2016 2:00:48 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Dr. Sivana
I should say that I didn't even decide who to back until the last week or so - I was torn between Cruz and Rubio, with electability being my concern. Ultimately, I went with Rubio. l've come to the conclusion that Ted is fantastic at preaching to the converted. If you already identify as a staunch conservative, he's the guy.

The problem as i came to see it is that I don't think he'll be very good at persuading people who are undecided on the issues, and I think we must win that battle this year. While I'm sure he's formidable on oral argument in front of a panel of judges, I just don't see the ability to persuade undecided lay people on an emotional level. Ted's better at drawing lines than drawing people in.

We are on the verge of losing a complete generation plus to progressivism - the wars, followed by Obama, and now Bernie. Young conservatives are too hard to find, but I think many young people are still reachable if we field a candidate who can do the Reagan trick of conveying, with sincerity, that conservative values are really the best for raising up everybody's future. Reagan gave birth to an entire new generation of conservatives, because before him, Vietnam had driven a lot of young people to the left.

I know that Rubio's speeches in that regard can seem glib when you see them enough, but damn, they are pretty effective. My 19 year old daughter is completely uninterested in politics, but she was sitting with me talking about school when Rubio came on Monday night after placing third. She sat there, listened to the whole thing, and just said "who is he - I'll vote for him". Then went right back to school stuff.

I know he's not perfect, and he was wrong on the Gang of Eight. Ted's better on issues overall. But that ability to persuade and get people on the other side, or who are undecided to listen to you without acrimony and maybe be convinced...that just seems to me like the kind of magic we desperately need.

Anyway, thanks, and I certainly won't be sulking if Ted wins it. I'll just be nervous as hell that he'll push away more people than he draws in.

96 posted on 02/04/2016 2:03:11 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: JediJones

No, I am most concerned with hypocrisy. Because if someone isn’t acting on their beliefs, then you really don’t KNOW their beliefs. The “vote fraud” mailers, the Carson stuff, other tidbits emerging about Cruz are not painting a flattering picture. No one thinks Donald is a saint, but he doesn’t claim to be. But Cruz’s backers have him as the Second coming of John Paul II.

No, the stuff isn’t made up. It’s real. Trump should move on, but that doesn’t change the drips of mud now attaching themselves to Cruz. He can survive some. Not buckets.


97 posted on 02/04/2016 2:06:06 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

Cruz doesn’t portray himself as a saint and no one thinks of him that way. We think of him as a smart politician with beliefs in small government, the Constitution and a Christian faith. Being a religious person doesn’t imply you’re perfect or better than anyone else. It acknowledges that you’re a sinner. Cruz never tells any stories that try to highlight his personal morality in any way. He sticks to the issues.


98 posted on 02/04/2016 2:23:34 PM PST by JediJones (Marco Rubio: When the Establishment Says Jump, He Asks How High?)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Anyway, thanks, and I certainly won't be sulking if Ted wins it. I'll just be nervous as hell that he'll push away more people than he draws in.

I believe that Cruz will be able to recalibrate his message for the general election and focus on issues of interest to the electorate at large.

He won't be shy about attacking HRC as needed. I don't know if Rubio will be as effective at it.

Cruz' strategy has been, and will be, to get those four million who passed on Romney to come out and vote. Rubio isn't Romney, but I don't know if he can pull off the same thing.

I had thought of Walker as the only one who could unite Establishment and Movement Conservative groups, but he got blown out of the water early when it turned out that this was not going to be a conventional cycle. Since then I figured we need the rupture now, as we won't have another chance to get someone like Cruz in, as HRC is an exceptionally weak candidate.


99 posted on 02/04/2016 2:26:32 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: JediJones

Then you haven’t even been reading the posts here on FR. You haven’t been seeing all Ted’s comments about “putting on the whole armor of God” and Rafaele’s comments about his son being a “king” “ordained to reign over America,” exact quotation. Ted is going out of his way to come across as a combo of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. So far, it’s working.


100 posted on 02/04/2016 2:28:37 PM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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