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Psychology: Deradicalizing Muslim terrorists (very interesting)
nocompulsion.com ^ | Nicolai Sennels

Posted on 01/30/2016 4:43:51 AM PST by RoosterRedux

As a prison psychologist I have dealt with more than a hundred criminal Muslims. Based on my professional experiences and conclusions, I have written extensively about the psychology of the Muslim mentality and violence, including being involved in the court case against the killer and Guantanamo prisoner Omar Khadr.

It is no secret that the Islamic texts, the Quran and the hadiths, are the main source of Islamic terror and crime: Islam teaches Muslims to hate, attack and kill non-Muslims, and it uses the same psychological tools to remove psychological hindrances to violence, as in all other kinds of warfare, by devaluing and demonizing the enemy. Combining mind-numbing repetition of hateful texts with a humiliating and violent upbringing in the family and in the Muslim madrassa schools is the ancient two-step recipe on how to break down human beings and make them submit to criminal doctrines and commit inhuman acts. Even the most cruel terrorist has also been an innocent child once, until he or she met with this classical method of brainwashing that has been integrated into many Muslim families, societies and schools.

But how to make a violent Muslim peaceful? This is probably one of the most important questions of our time, especially among people and authorities working with anti-terrorism.

Realizing the lack of and need for knowledge in this important area, I will here share my experience from working as a professional psychologist with more than hundred aggressive and violent Muslims.

As a psychologist I have not worked with convicted Muslim terrorists, so the advice that I give here is based on working with Muslims who have committed less radical types of crimes, including murder, attempted murder, arson and rape.

Violent behaviour, Islam and Muslim culture

Based on my experience, I found eight emotional indicators that are important when determining whether a Muslim may use violence or even turn to terror: anger, honor culture, victim mentality, identity, religiosity, responsibility for oneself, ability to regret and tolerance. Thus deradicalizing Muslims should aim to reduce the first five and increase the last three. Unfortunately, Islam and Muslim culture has a tendency to do the exact opposite. Deradicalizing Muslims is therefore not just about changing a political mindset, but to a large extent about limiting the influence of the culture and religion that fuels and partly constitutes their political mindset.

I have described several of these aspects in previous articles, such as "Report from the therapy room: Why are Muslims more violent and criminal?".

Understanding and working with the eight emotional factors

Based on my work with criminal and violent Muslims, I will here describe eight psychological factors that contribute to violent behaviour among Muslims. Many of the factors are also typical for non-Muslim criminals brought up in a family with dysfunctional patterns. I will mention them here with three subdivisions: a) describing the mental factor. b) describing how Islam and/or Muslim culture enhances this factor. c) describing the sign.

Anger:

a) Anger is a driving force behind most types of violence, including terror. Other emotions and ideas might be involved as well, but anger is almost always present, often as the most dominant emotion.

b) Muslims and anger. During therapy with violent Muslims it became clear that anger and aggression is much more accepted among Muslims. Contrary to Western culture, people brought up in Muslim societies see anger less as a sign of weakness than non-Muslims do. Anger is seen as a sign of strength and source of respect -- not a reason for ridicule and loss of social status as in Western culture. Therefore Muslims do not limit their aggressive emotions to the same degree as we do, and they see non-aggressive responses to aggression as a sign of cowardice and a weakness that can be exploited further.

c) Indicator. Signs of anger is a indicator when looking for risk of violent behaviour.

Honor culture:

a) Cultures that build on the clan cultural concept of honor have a tendency to create aggressive and insecure individuals ready to use violence to protect the inherent fragility of honor.

b) Honor has an essential place in Muslim culture, and Muslims are expected by both themselves and their Muslim surroundings to react aggressively if they or whatever they identify themselves with or represent (family, clan, area, culture, religion) is criticised or under (perceived) attack.

c) A strong concept of honor increases the risk of violent behaviour.

Victim mentality:

a) A driving force among most types of terrorists, including Muslim terrorists, is victim mentality. People seeing themselves as victims being treated unfairly by hostile powers often see their situation as an excuse for going beyond the law, generally accepted social behaviour and responsibility for ones own actions (one is "forced" by the enemy to act violently).

b) Experiencing oneself as being under the influence of outer imagined or real forces, whether it is Allah, conspiring non-Muslims or religious rules and cultural traditions, is a mindset pervading Muslim culture. A large German study showed "a distinct victim mentality and heightened acceptance of violence among [Muslim] youth" and that among "Muslim youth who maintain Muslim religious affiliation, one finds that a greater amount of violence is acceptable."

c) Sign of victim mentality is an indicator for violent behaviour.

Identity:

a) Identification with a religion increases the tendency to take it personally when one perceives the religion as being under attack.

b) My experience from working with criminal Muslims, even though many of them were not practising their religion actively, is that Muslims identify themselves very strongly with Islam and the Muslim community worldwide. This is why criminal Muslims almost never -- unless it concerns rivaling gangs or women -- attack other Muslims.

c) Identification with the Muslim community increases the tendency to take it personally and react when one perceives Islam or Muslims as being under attack.

Religiosity:

a) All through history religions have proven to be able to make people do what they would not have done without their religion -- positive or negative.

b) Since the Quran and the culture in most Muslim societies preaches aversion and in some cases even violence against non-Muslims, the degree of religiosity among Muslims is an important factor when deciding the risk of violent behaviour. A German study involving intense interviews with more than 40,000 people concluded that practising Islam increases anger and risk of violent behavior.

c) Strong religious feelings and the strong influence of a traditional Muslim upbringing is thus an important indicator when trying to identify and discover the tendency to use violence among Muslims and protect Islam against criticism and attacks.

Responsibility:

a) The ability to feel responsibility for oneself is important for the ability to display positive behaviour. The less people feel responsible for their own actions, the more they are likely to act unacceptably, since they do not feel that they themselves deserve to face the consequences and do not feel guilty.

b) A defining characteristic of Islam and Muslim culture is the lack of responsibility for oneself. According to Islam everything happens inshallah (Allah willing) and individual freedom is substituted by religious rules, cultural traditions and the authority of the family and clan. Muslims to a large extend obey the expectations of their religion, culture, family and clan. As a result inner locus of control (experiencing oneself as being in control of one's life) is very weak while outer locus of control (experiencing outer factors as being in control of one's life) is strong.

c) Lack of responsibility for oneself is important when determining risk of criminal behaviour.

Regret:

a) Being able to feel and express regret for one's own negative words and actions is crucial, especially when trying to determine the risk of recidivism (committing crime again after having served a sentence or being trained to abide by the law).

b) Since a victim mentality and a low amount of responsibility for oneself is characteristic of people brought up in the Muslim culture, regret is not characteristic. If one does not take responsibility for one's own actions, one simply can not fully regret them, as sincere regret includes insight into one's own role in the harm done.

c) Expression of regret based on insight into one's own role in the situation is an important indicator when trying to determine the risk of recidivism.

Tolerance:

a) Tolerance is important when it comes to respect for others. Low tolerance often decreases respect and increases the likelihood of harming people. A classical psychological maneuver to make soldiers more able to harm the enemy is to lower their respect towards the enemy by spreading derogatory propaganda about him.

b) Islam and Muslim culture preaches intolerance towards non-Muslims, both in writing and as a way of living. Non-Muslims are categorized as inferior, and the Quran orders Muslims to suppress, attack and kill non-Muslims. Terrorists often act because of intolerance towards otherwise legal statements and actions.

c) The degree of tolerance is an important indicator when trying to determine the risk of violent behaviour.

Working with the eight emotional factors

A necessary basis for human change is the realisation of the benefits of changing. Since many assailants by experience know that threats and violence can be much more effective in achieving one's goal -- and even feel the right to act threatening or violent -- this it not always an easy task.

Everybody knows that changing one's views and habits does not happen by itself. It takes a conscious effort, and normally no radical and lasting changes happen unless we want to and make the necessary and often demanding effort. Often people are not always ready or willing to change. In these cases it is by doing -- or being tricked into doing -- things that maybe only indirectly point to the goal that one gets closer to the point where one can work on changing oneself more consciously, in a targeted manner and voluntarily.

Here are some of the things that I have worked with and would advise using for treatment of convicted Muslim criminals and terrorists.

Even though the psychological factors are clearly defined, my estimation is that even with very competent therapists, only few attempts of deradicalization are successful. This is because radical Muslims both have to want it, dare to go against the their own radical network and be able to go through the hard and extensive psychological and practical processes of abandoning psychological, cultural and religious factors deeply rooted in their upbringing and lifestyle, in order to deradicalize.

Anger:

My experience from working with Muslims is that many have a heightened readiness to react to perceived threats. This includes the unpleasant bodily and mental feelings that often accompany anger, such as stress, anxiety, restlessness, lowered mood and unpleasant feelings in the head, heart area, stomach and other places. Throughout the therapy, I also managed to make many of the Muslim clients aware of the negative personal consequences that stem from angry behaviour, such as loss of friends, problems with the authorities, and the lack of ability to communicate the way one wants when angry.

Mindfulness exercises that relax the body (lying on a mattress, listening to relaxing music and being guided to tighten and relax the different muscle groups from toes to face) helped the clients to become more aware of their tensions and the unpleasant feelings that come from anger. The immediate benefits of relaxing by being less angry thus became evident to many of them -- they fell asleep, in spite of normally having great difficulties falling asleep.

Some of the Muslim clients were also open to learning ways of handling conflicts and irritation other than using threats and physical violence through psychoeducation.

I would not be surprised if anger-reducing medicine is one day be used on violent extremists -- individually or as a non-lethal weapon dropped on violent masses from airplanes.

Honor culture:

Protecting honor is a defining characteristic of Muslim culture and has been the cause of countless killings of women, non-Muslims and Muslims from other families, clans and sects.

Since a fragile sense of honor is closely related to low self-esteem, improving peoples' self-esteem is vital to make them less emotionally vulnerable to criticism. Of course, Muslim culture itself has a strong tendency to instill its world-famous fragile sense of honor in Muslims, but unsolved childhood traumas can be an important key. Learning social behaviour that increases positive feedback and healthy pride can also help.

Victim mentality and responsibility:

During my work with violent Muslims I realized the need for developing a therapeutic tool that decreases victim mentality and increases responsibility. For the tool to be useful it had to be simple and structured, because people brought up in cultures or families less familiar with psychology and the benefits of expressing inner states often find normal therapy meaningless or even confusing. I developed a four-step model that can also be visualized on a piece of paper or a white board. The four steps show how experiences awaken emotions, which motivate actions that have consequences that are experienced -- etc.

The steps are drawn and written in a circle, with step 1 at the top (12 o'clock), step 2 at 3 o'clock, step 3 at 6 o'clock and step 4 at 9 o'clock.

Step 1: The client is presented with a timeline on a paper or white board, going from birth until now. Above the timeline positive experiences are written, and below it, the negative.

Step 2: The client is asked to describe the emotions connected with the experiences. These are all listed below step 2 on the paper.

Step 3: The client is then asked what he did and normally does when he has the different emotions mentioned at step 2.

Step 4: The client is asked to describe what emotional and practical consequences these actions had and generally have.

This model makes it possible -- also visually -- for the client to see the connection between the way that he reacts to experiences and what he experiences. Depending on the client, this can help him to get insight into the mechanisms of responsibility for himself.

Identity:

Identity is one of the deepest rooted psychological phenomena, and changing this is not easy. The problem with radical Muslims is that they identify with Islam and the Muslim ummah to such an extent that they perceive themselves as being under attack, no matter how and where Islam or Muslims are criticised or attacked. This includes a very strong loyalty that makes them prone to react violently when this happens.

I do not have any useful suggestions at this point except for maybe showing Muslim extremists that the biggest enemies of Muslims are other Muslims: nobody kills more Muslims than Muslims, and nobody oppresses Muslims more than the Muslim rulers of Muslim countries. The "one ummah, one body" slogan put forward by the self-proclaimed defenders of Islam against the West must be seen in light of the fact that Muslims are far from being one single unit protecting each others' back.

Religiosity:

Muslim terrorists are most often very well versed in the Islamic scriptures, and trying to make them think that certain parts of the Quran should be seen from a historical perspective and not as guidelines in the modern world is futile. Since leaving Islam is punishable by death, one has to be able to present very convincing protection programmes to whoever considers leaving this religion.

Decreasing religiosity in Muslims who take the Quran literally is impossible as long as they are able to indoctrinate themselves and each other with the Islamic texts and practises. It can be necessary to deprive them of the source that fuels their hate and political ideas.

Making it so difficult to practise orthodox and therefore illegal Islam in our countries that they need to go elsewhere if they want to continue their way of life is a solution.

Ability to regret:

The ability to regret is necessary in order to change one's habits and feel empathy with others. The victim mentality and a lowered sense of responsibility for oneself decrease the ability to feel regret.

In many countries around the world, victims and offenders are offered a chance to meet, and in many cases it has a healing effect on both parties. Realizing the harm that one has done makes one able to regret and apologize, which is psychologically healthy. I think everybody knows the relief that follows when one has finally gotten oneself together and given an honest apology to somebody we hurt.

Again a four-step procedure can be helpful.

1) Realizing. First one has to realize that what one has done is wrong. Meeting with victims or survivors, reading about their suffering and that of their families, and knowing that innocent people were harmed is helpful to realize one's wrongdoing.

2) Admitting. Having reached a point where one can give an honest acknowledgment of one's actions, one simply does so. If one is not able to meet the victim in person, one can write a letter or give a public statement.

3) Regretting. After having admitted one's fault, one is ready to make the important step of deciding to never repeat one's mistake.

4) Opposite. In leaving one's habits behind, the last thing that has to be done to finalize the psychological process of regretting is to do the opposite. If one has previously harmed or hated a certain group of people, one starts helping them -- etc.

Going through these four steps may not feel very honorable or pleasant for the ego, but if one makes it through all four steps, one is truly reborn as a better citizen.

Tolerance:

Tolerance is important because Muslim terrorism if fueled by intolerance toward non-Muslims and non-Islamic values and societies. Since intolerance are often created by misunderstanding, creating understanding is a very effective way to tolerance.

I wish I had had movies showing normal non-Muslims' way of life in their families' daily lives when working with criminal Muslims' anger against non-Muslims. Showing the innocent, happy and constructive lives of normal Danish children and parents would have been an eye-opener for them. There are so many lies and myths in the Muslim communities about Westerners, and removing them will surely increase Muslims' tolerance towards us.


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To: butterdezillion
I've been reading Shoebat's and Joel Richardson's God's War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible and it is an eye opener.

They make the case that the Anti-Christ will be the Mahdi and that Saudi Arabia is Mystery Babylon.

It is an excellent read but as has become a trend in all writing since the interweb, it needs a good proofreader.

81 posted on 01/30/2016 7:07:58 AM PST by RoosterRedux (When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade, without further introduction. - Mark Twain)
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To: MamaTexan

OK, so I assume you believe the Constitution must allow in muslims because islam is a religion, am I getting this correct? (Since when does the Constitution say that? Did I miss that in civics??)


82 posted on 01/30/2016 7:08:40 AM PST by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Turks (Muslims))
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To: exDemMom

I took the liberty of revising part of the article to show the convergence between the Muslim and Liberal Word views:

Anger:

a) Anger is a driving force behind most types of violence, including terror. Other emotions and ideas might be involved as well, but anger is almost always present, often as the most dominant emotion.

b) Liberals and anger. During therapy with violent Liberals it became clear that anger and aggressive government is much more accepted among Liberals. Contrary to Western culture, people brought up in Leftist societies see anger less as a sign of weakness than non-Liberals do. Anger is seen as a sign of strength and source of respect — not a reason for ridicule and loss of social status as in Western culture. Therefore Liberals do not limit their aggressive government emotions to the same degree as we do, and they see non-aggressive responses to aggressive government as a sign of cowardice and a weakness that can be exploited further.

c) Indicator. Signs of anger are an indicator when looking for risk of violent behavior.

Honor culture:

a) Cultures that build on the clan cultural concept of honor have a tendency to create aggressive and insecure individuals ready to use violence to protect the inherent fragility of honor.

b) Honor has an essential place in Leftist culture, and Liberals are expected by both themselves and their Leftist surroundings to react legislatively if they, or whatever they identify themselves with or represent (government, clan, area, culture, tribe, sexuality, spirituality, perversion de-jour), is criticized or under (perceived) attack.

c) A strong concept of honor increases the risk of violent behavior.

Victim mentality:

a) A driving force among most types of terrorists, including Leftist terrorists, is victim mentality. People seeing themselves as victims being treated unfairly by hostile powers often see their situation as an excuse for going beyond the law, generally accepted social behavior and responsibility for one’s own actions (one is “forced” by the enemy to act violently).

b) Experiencing oneself as being under the influence of outer imagined or real forces, whether it is the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, conspiring non-Liberals, or academic rules and cultural traditions, is a mindset pervading Leftist culture. A large German study showed “a distinct victim mentality and heightened acceptance of violence among [Leftist] youth” and that among “Leftist youth who maintain Leftist academic affiliation, one finds that a greater amount of violence is acceptable.”

c) Sign of victim mentality is an indicator for violent behavior.

Identity:

a) Identification with Liberalism increases the tendency to take it personally when one perceives the Liberalism as being under attack.

b) My experience from working with criminal Liberals, even though many of them were not practicing their Liberalism actively, is that Liberals identify themselves very strongly with Liberalism and the Leftist community worldwide. This is why criminal Liberals almost never — unless it concerns rivaling gangs or women — attack other Liberals.

c) Identification with the Leftist community increases the tendency to take it personally and react when one perceives Liberalism or Liberals as being under attack.

Ideology:

a) All through history, ideologies have proven to be able to make people do what they would not have done without this indoctrination — positive or negative.

b) Since Academia and the culture in most Leftist societies preaches aversion and in some cases even violence against non-Liberals, the degree of ideology among Liberals is an important factor when deciding the risk of violent behavior. A German study involving intense interviews with more than 40,000 people concluded that practicing Liberalism increases anger and risk of violent behavior.

c) Strong academic feelings and the strong influence of a radical Leftist upbringing is thus an important indicator when trying to identify and discover the tendency to use violence among Liberals and protect Liberalism against criticism and attacks.

Responsibility:

a) The ability to feel responsibility for oneself is important for the ability to display positive behavior. The less people feel responsible for their own actions, the more they are likely to act unacceptably, since they do not feel that they themselves deserve to face the consequences and do not feel guilty.

b) A defining characteristic of Liberalism and Leftist culture is the lack of responsibility for oneself. According to Liberalism, everything happens because of inherited power and individual freedom is substituted by leftist rules, cultural traditions, the authority of the government and clan. Liberals to a large extent obey the expectations of their spirituality, culture, government and clan. As a result inner locus of control (experiencing oneself as being in control of one’s life) is very weak while outer locus of control (experiencing outer factors as being in control of one’s life) is strong.

c) Lack of responsibility for oneself is important when determining risk of criminal behavior.

Regret:

a) Being able to feel and express regret for one’s own negative words and actions is crucial, especially when trying to determine the risk of recidivism (committing crime again after having served a sentence or being trained to abide by the law).

b) Since a victim mentality and a low amount of responsibility for oneself is characteristic of people brought up in the Leftist culture, regret is not characteristic. If one does not take responsibility for one’s own actions, one simply cannot fully regret them, as sincere regret includes insight into one’s own role in the harm done.

c) Expression of regret based on insight into one’s own role in the situation is an important indicator when trying to determine the risk of recidivism.

Tolerance:

a) Tolerance is important when it comes to respect for others. Low tolerance often decreases respect and increases the likelihood of harming people. A classical psychological maneuver to make soldiers more able to harm the enemy is to lower their respect towards the enemy by spreading derogatory propaganda about him.

b) Liberalism and Leftist culture preaches intolerance towards non-Liberals, both in writing and as a way of living. Non-Liberals are categorized as inferior, and the Academia orders Liberals to suppress, attack and kill non-Liberals. Terrorists often act because of intolerance towards otherwise legal statements and actions.

c) The degree of tolerance is an important indicator when trying to determine the risk of violent behavior.

Working with the eight emotional factors

A necessary basis for human change is the realization of the benefits of changing. Since many assailants by experience know that threats and violence can be much more effective in achieving one’s goal — and even feel the right to act threatening or violent — this is not always an easy task.

Everybody knows that changing one’s views and habits does not happen by itself. It takes a conscious effort, and normally no radical and lasting changes happen unless we want to and make the necessary and often demanding effort. Often people are not always ready or willing to change. In these cases it is by doing — or being tricked into doing — things that maybe only indirectly point to the goal that one gets closer to the point where one can work on changing oneself more consciously, in a targeted manner and voluntarily.

Here are some of the things that I have worked with and would advise using for treatment of convicted Leftist criminals and terrorists.

Even though the psychological factors are clearly defined, my estimation is that even with very competent therapists, only few attempts of deradicalization are successful. This is because radical Liberals both have to want it, dare to go against the their own radical network and be able to go through the hard and extensive psychological and practical processes of abandoning psychological, cultural and academic factors deeply rooted in their upbringing and lifestyle, in order to deradicalize.


83 posted on 01/30/2016 7:09:52 AM PST by antidisestablishment (If Washington was judged with the same standard as Sodom, it would not exist.)
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To: GladesGuru

That’s true. And it’s the only way to be sure. Otherwise, “ex” muslims can revert to madness at any time.


84 posted on 01/30/2016 7:10:12 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MamaTexan

Islam is not a religion; Islam is a Satanic death cult!

The author makes it VERY clear in the first sentence of his second paragraph:

“It is no secret that the Islamic texts, the Quran and the hadiths, are the main source of Islamic terror and crime: Islam teaches Muslims to hate, attack and kill non-Muslims, and it uses the same psychological tools to remove psychological hindrances to violence, as in all other kinds of warfare, by devaluing and demonizing the enemy.”

What other evidence do we need?


85 posted on 01/30/2016 7:11:31 AM PST by Taxman (H. L. Mencken correctly observed: Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s why evangelism is verboten in Muslim countries and even in Muslim no-go-zones like Dearbornistan.


86 posted on 01/30/2016 7:11:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MamaTexan

The practice of the religion is protected, but religions that practice child sacrifice would not be able to use that as an excuse to evade murder charges, unless it’s abortion. As of now, children are mostly legally protected after they reach a couple days old, and those who neglect, abuse, or kill their child are legally responsible.

Similar things need to hold true for Islam. Nation of Islam should not get a free pass to terrorize places like Ferguson or Baltimore. Just in the name of lawfulness, they must NOT be given a pass because of a religion they cite as an excuse for illegal behavior.

And that fits with what you’ve said - that for domestic Muslims we have to meet them with the law when they transgress that law. The issue will inevitably get bigger though, because the prisons are full of people who - for many reasons, not the least of which is fatherlessness and depraved living circumstances that are no fault of the children - have the psychological pathology that fits Islam, and they are converting to Islam. If the incarcerated people being recruited by Islam are those who have committed lesser offenses, they will eventually get out of jail and begat more children and more crimes.

The goal of the communists has been to destroy the family as the basic unit of providence and nurture in the societ so that government would necessarily have to take the place of parents (which is the ultimate description of what communism is). Anything that would destroy families was embraced in the strategy of the communists - a finding that was entered into the Congressional record a long time ago. Abortion, drugs, promiscuity, pornography, atheism, homosexuality, divorce, welfare and “entitlement” mentality, gangs, debilitating taxation that would force 2 parents working, etc.... that was all part of the plan because it would keep families from raising healthy children. Pathological children are useful for manipulation and control.

Our current culture that is filling our jails with young people is also creating young people particularly conditioned to become Muslim converts. The Islamists and communists are closely aligned with each other in their goals, and people like George Soros have embraced both. They work together to destroy the common enemy: freedom. And they are like a boa wrapping around the neck of this nation from head end and from tail end. Unless we realize what’s going on and do something to stop it, we’re boa-chow.


87 posted on 01/30/2016 7:17:46 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: GladesGuru

“But how to make a violent Muslim peaceful?” Kill the Muslim.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Folks, we have a winner!

Buy ammo & get range time. You’ll soon need both, my fellow “infidels”!


88 posted on 01/30/2016 7:18:46 AM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: RoosterRedux

I wonder if pushing for sharia is defined as a seditious act.


89 posted on 01/30/2016 7:25:42 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: RoosterRedux
They make the case that the Anti-Christ will be the Mahdi and that Saudi Arabia is Mystery Babylon

I differ with Shoebat on the SA/Mystery Babylon thing.

Isaiah 13:17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver, nor be desirous of gold.

The Saudis are part of the this Mede uprising - which we've seen/seeing. How can SA then be "Mystery Babylon". Look at the characteristic of Mystery Babylon/Daughter Babylon as described in scripture. At this particular time, there is only one nation that stands out.

Shoebat is a very smart and observant scholar of scripture and world events. However, he is mistaken about SA being Mystery Babylon, IMO.

On another note, a great interview Savage had with him:

Walid Shoebat Full Explosive Interview with Michael Savage (12-4-15)

90 posted on 01/30/2016 7:45:32 AM PST by amorphous
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To: RoosterRedux

91 posted on 01/30/2016 7:49:00 AM PST by skimbell
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To: antidisestablishment
Even though the psychological factors are clearly defined, my estimation is that even with very competent therapists, only few attempts of deradicalization are successful. This is because radical Liberals both have to want it, dare to go against the their own radical network and be able to go through the hard and extensive psychological and practical processes of abandoning psychological, cultural and academic factors deeply rooted in their upbringing and lifestyle, in order to deradicalize.

Indeed. It takes a strong effort to get people to recognize that there is a problem with their inner assumptions. I remember back in the 1970s and 1980s, the efforts people would make to get their loved ones back when they were pulled into cults--it took a very strong "deprogramming" effort, and was not always successful. And nowadays, I think the law is against deprogramming--the law assumes that people who are taken into cults continue to act under their own free will. It actually is not the case; people who are pulled into cults no longer act freely (and, in this case, the law illustrates the destructive power of unexamined assumptions).

It takes a lot of effort to deprogram people, whether the cult is Islam, liberalism, or Hare Krishna. To be deprogrammed means to accept change, and that is very frightening to people.

92 posted on 01/30/2016 7:56:37 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://wEven thouww.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: RoosterRedux
Here is the money quote...

... even with very competent therapists, only few attempts of deradicalization are successful.

In other words, Muslims are habitual psychopaths trained up by and living in and supportive of an alien (to us) psychopathic all-encompassing religious system.

Another quote... Even though the psychological factors are clearly defined, my estimation is that even with very competent therapists, only few attempts of deradicalization are successful.(!!)

The "treatment" process is almost hopeless and overwhelming to accomplish. How many millions of these psychos can be "treated" by trained psychiatrists even if we had the resources? Answer: very few.

Frankly, there are only two real-world solutions to this problem...

1. A complete "heart" change. Historically, only a genuine conversion to Christianity is likely to accomplish this and there are many individual examples of this. But this solution on a large scale requires a massive spiritual revival. But only God can do that even though the Gospel tells us to keep trying. That leaves...

2. Keeping Muslims from settling in non-Muslim countries and aggressively outlawing the Islamic "faith".

Of course, #2 means perpetual warfare against Muslims, a stopgap solution at best because their religion demands subjugation of the Infidel! This defensive method has been used by non-Muslims for over 1400 years but with spotty success. Islam just keeps reproducing psychos and sending them back for conquest.

So, now we (and much of the rest of the politically correct West) are willingly letting millions of these potentially violent psychopaths into our country and we expect a good outcome?

So, is it not we who are the ones really crazy?

The best solution we can implement is to keep them out of our countries and neighborhoods. Unfortunately today, political correctness prevents that option. That must be changed if we are to survive as a free people.

93 posted on 01/30/2016 8:15:15 AM PST by Gritty (Syrians aren't Jews fleeing Nazi Holocaust but Nazis relocating from a bombed out Berlin-DGreenfield)
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To: huldah1776

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94 posted on 01/30/2016 8:17:48 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: RoosterRedux

“The bottom line of this article is that orthodox islam must be made illegal in Western countries”

Nope! ALL Muslims must, at the minimum, be “repatriated” to their respective ME $hithole countries. Personally, a better solution will be to eliminate them entirely from the face of the Earth. The Earth will not be a safe place until they are all gone permanently., and all vestiges of the coran are burned.


95 posted on 01/30/2016 8:25:41 AM PST by vette6387
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To: Travis McGee; MamaTexan
Many try to defend Muslims and attempt to separate the Muslim from Islamism. A case in point:

Muslim Activist Says This Is Why Islamism Is 'Much More Dangerous Than Nazism'

It's an exercise in futility. A Muslim, relates to a person who follows the religion of Islam. It does not relate to race of people or a person's origin. You can no more separate Muslims from Islam than a zebra from its stripes.


Islam has encoded in its teachings- murder, lying, plunder, slavery, rape, warfare, and even terrorism as part of its official religious doctrine. Jesus said that the thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy, and this is exactly what Islam has done from its beginning. No other religion so completely fits the description in the Bible of the beast and false prophet than Islam.

Islam is different from all the other religions that do not believe in Jesus, because Islam officially declares that Jesus is not the Son of God (Quran 4: 171; 18: 4-5), which is the Biblical definition of Antichrist: "Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son" (1 John 2: 22).

The spread of Islam has left a trail of blood, suffering, and destruction like no other ideology in world history. History, and even this present age, shows us that Islam is a very violent and fascist religion, full of hate for Christians and Jews. No one could invent a more evil cult.

The Beast And False Prophet Revealed - Michael Fortner

96 posted on 01/30/2016 8:26:07 AM PST by amorphous
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To: RoosterRedux

“The bottom line of this article is that orthodox islam must be made illegal in Western countries”

Nope! ALL Muslims must, at the minimum, be “repatriated” to their respective ME $hithole countries. Personally, a better solution will be to eliminate them entirely from the face of the Earth. The Earth will not be a safe place until they are all gone permanently., and all vestiges of the coran are burned.


97 posted on 01/30/2016 8:26:10 AM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387
"Personally, a better solution will be to eliminate them IT (Islamism) entirely from the face of the Earth."

The world needs to treat Islamism the same way the world treats Nazism.

98 posted on 01/30/2016 8:30:14 AM PST by amorphous
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To: RoosterRedux

Bless him for trying to civilize and de-violence the Muslims. I think that he identified the key part of the problem — their religion of hate and violence that teaches them from birth to attack and murder innocent people ( especially christiabs/ jews plus Hindus etc). To cure them of all their inculcated hate and violence cannot be easy. The best thing would be to end their dangerous Teaching of hate and violence. Shut down their training camps, mosques, radio and Internet propaganda channels for starters.
Protect western societies by requiring Moslems whove gotten in to return to their homelands. Then, really wage war on any remaining Moslem dangers to any of us. Not fake bombing raids while shipping them billions of dollars and tons of weapons ( reverse the Obama sell -out of USA and the west)


99 posted on 01/30/2016 8:52:50 AM PST by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born, they're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 -- 43 BCE))
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To: amorphous
At this particular time, there is only one nation that stands out.

Who is that?

100 posted on 01/30/2016 8:54:23 AM PST by RoosterRedux (When a man loves cats, I am his friend and comrade, without further introduction. - Mark Twain)
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