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Marine Corps Times Urges Veterans To Support More Gun Control(WTH?)
breitbart.com ^ | 1/18/2016 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 01/19/2016 10:06:47 AM PST by rktman

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To: NorthMountain
The government already requires public service announcements on a whole variety of subjects, including education and a bunch of liberal causes. So given that PSA have to be made anyway, why not flip a few of those to saving lives?

Anyway, you're missing the point. Regardless of how you feel about government spending, Obama and his ilk have absolutely no problem making a whole bunch of anti-gun proposals that cost money. Cost is not an issue to them. So, given that cost is not an issue to them, why aren't they pushing something like trigger locks?

Heck, he's given enough speeches on the topic. Why isn't he at least using the free bully pulpit to encourage people to use them? That's the question to which I'd like to hear an answer.

21 posted on 01/19/2016 10:35:06 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: rktman

No surprise - the (Navy/Air Force/Marine) Times is a liberal paper. Last week’s cover was titled ‘Who do you want for President’ with pics of all of the candidates. Trump’s pic was all the way at the bottom, last.


22 posted on 01/19/2016 10:39:22 AM PST by 11th_VA
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
The government already requires public service announcements on a whole variety of subjects, including education and a bunch of liberal causes.

I oppose those, too. Government should quit funding the Ad Council.

So, given that cost is not an issue to them, why aren't they pushing something like trigger locks?

Because "gun control" has nothing to do with promoting safety or preventing crime. 0bama has zero interest in controlling criminals or saving innocent lives; same is true for EVERY OTHER gun-control politician. Gun control is all about disarming YOU, the honest citizen. Gun control is all about rendering YOU, the honest citizen, helpless and defenseless, and dependent on the government.

That's the question to which I'd like to hear an answer.

Now you have an answer. You're really asking the wrong questions.

23 posted on 01/19/2016 10:41:51 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: rktman

I would love to heart R. Lee Ermey’s opinion on this.


24 posted on 01/19/2016 10:42:54 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Hey Pope Francis- The Gospels are not Matthew, Marx, Luke and John.)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
But okay, I'll bite. If we really wanted to reduce accidental shooting, and/or shootings by people who take guns from family members, then why not a government program to distribute free (or at least subsidized) trigger locks?

Not a perfect solution, but it is a solution that would not infringe on anyone's right to own a gun, and likely would reduce firearm deaths. So why don't the gun grabbers push that?

Let me be the first to jump in on this. I haven't purchased a firearm in more than 20 years that has not come with a trigger (or action) lock in the box. Does anyone actually use these things? I just toss them in the lock box with the others. I'd be interested in knowing how many negligent discharges have occurred over the years by people attaching locks to firearms with the magazine removed but that have a loaded chamber.

(The majority of "children" killed by firearms are urban gangsters and they range up to the age of 25.)

The reason that urban liberals won't do anything that would actually reduce gun homicides is that they want to continue to have the issue to make speeches about.

=>The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's (CDC) final report on death statistics for 2013 shows there were 35,369 deaths from motor vehicle accidents versus 505 deaths from the accidental discharge of firearms.

=>6,955 died with HIV

25 posted on 01/19/2016 10:45:02 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve." - Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859))
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To: rktman; BuffaloJack; NorthMountain; riverrunner; Bruce Campbells Chin

Clearly the Marine Times is part of this new Marine Corps. The time was when every Marine was a rifleman and recruits were taught combat operations entailed applying and enduring unimaginable brutality until victory. Now the Corps is committed to discovering opportunities for social engineering. The below link gives another example of just how far the rot has spread. From now on I will always discourage men from entering any branch of the Armed Forces.

Marine Corps boot camp, job titles to be gender neutral by April
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2016/01/06/marine-corps-boot-camp-job-titles-gender-neutral-april/78351756/
Be sure to check out the photo of Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus. He looks to me like someone who should be holding personnel seminars at Health and Human Services. I would not want to have anything to do with the gooey product resulting from the fulfillment of his vision. I think it is time to retire the service dress blues for a mauve uniform with a pink stripe and fashionable French berets. Considering the defense secretary claimed a long period of study and vigorous debate, I maintain discussion was among those mutually supportive creatures that have metastasized throughout the military to serve the LGBT and feminist social agendas. Most of the points I highlight below about women in combat first arose when the decision was imposed to do away with DADT. A lot of good men are going to have to die in years to come to cover up this needless disaster.


26 posted on 01/19/2016 10:46:32 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: rktman

The military newspapers are not affiliated with the military at all. Just don’t buy it.


27 posted on 01/19/2016 10:50:52 AM PST by armydawg505
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To: Sooth2222
Let me be the first to jump in on this. I haven't purchased a firearm in more than 20 years that has not come with a trigger (or action) lock in the box. Does anyone actually use these things? I just toss them in the lock box with the others. I'd be interested in knowing how many negligent discharges have occurred over the years by people attaching locks to firearms with the magazine removed but that have a loaded chamber.

The way responsible, knowledgeable gun owners handle their guns is different. There are, unfortunately, a lot of morons out there who have guns just sitting around the house.

The problem you describe of an accidental discharge is just another aspect of ignorant gun ownership. If you don't know your gun is loaded when trying to put on a trigger lock...you're an idiot.

My more general point is that the government's anti-gun crusade is focused entirely on getting guns away from people. If they truly care about reducing gun injuries/fatalities, then the government should be talking about gun safety as well. Nothing mandatory, but there really are people out there who have guns, often something they've inherited or been given, who really know nothing about them. So why not some gun-safety PSA's, at least?

The reason that urban liberals won't do anything that would actually reduce gun homicides is that they want to continue to have the issue to make speeches about.

My thoughts exactly.

As for the number of gun deaths due to accidental discharge (and I'd also include things like the Sandy Hook kid who got an unsecured gun from his mom's house), didn't the President say "if it would save even one life...?" But no. As you said, they want the issue. The idea that people might come to understand that it is entirely possible to own guns and handle them safely is something they find abhorrent.

28 posted on 01/19/2016 10:54:19 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Retain Mike
Ray Mabus is a disgusting piece of dog vomit.

The Marine Corps Times isn't part of any Marine Corps, new old or ancient. It's a bird-cage liner produced by Gannett, same as USA Today.

29 posted on 01/19/2016 10:54:20 AM PST by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
"what sane person would oppose even a PSA campaign encouraging trigger locks?"

Me. Details here.

30 posted on 01/19/2016 11:03:57 AM PST by ctdonath2 (History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the week or the timid. - Ike)
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To: Retain Mike
It's not fair to blame the Corps, or it's leadership, though.

Way back when this whole women in the infantry thing started, the Marine Corps jumped right on it with an "aye-aye, sir", and started extensive testing/training. A lot of folks accused them of selling out/knuckling under.

In fact, it was the opposite. The Marine Corps faithfully did all that so it could not be accused of putting a thumb on the scales. It wanted to present a fair, unbiased evaluation of what that integration would mean. That's exactly what happened, and (as I know would have been predicted), the Corps concluded it was a terrible idea.

The Commandant is the only Service Chief that stood up to the political pressure and opposed combat integration of women. He backed up that position with data and exhaustive studies. The fact that the dickless twit Mabus overruled him is not the fault of the Corps or the Commandant. Civilian rule of the military is enshrined in the Constitution.

Heck, consider this: we know that Obama and Mabus wanted to select a Commandant who wouldn't oppose them on this, and who would agree that integration was a good thing. The fact that the Commandant they selected did not go along with that means that they could not find a senior Marine general officer who would do that.

I know General John Kelly personally, back when he was a major at Quantico and running the Infantry Officers' Course. I'd have run through brick walls for that man, and I can guarantee that he and his fellow four-stars all thought it was a crappy idea.

But, what can they really do? It wasn't the Marine Corps leadership that let us down -- it was the voters who put in the civilian leadership that let down the Marine Corps.

31 posted on 01/19/2016 11:10:53 AM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: rktman

Funny since every Marine I know owns several.


32 posted on 01/19/2016 11:11:03 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

If I bought any guns lately, they came with locks.


33 posted on 01/19/2016 11:15:35 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

I certainly intend to blame the leadership even though there are still a few good men left. They should leave as soon as possible, because they can expect to receive inexplicable orders getting men needlessly killed. Also from now on promotions will target LGBT and feminist members under rules of engagement for equal opportunity and affirmative action. These social engineering creatures have metastasized throughout the military and will be willfully ignorant of operational needs.

The only excuse would be that institutional memories no longer exist for fighting ferocious, shrewd enemies such as the Germans, Japanese, Chinese, and North Vietnamese, who utilized a full array of modern weapons. If one notes the ribbons on any senior officer uniform, they show they fought Arabs the Israelis beat three times at 20 to 1 odds, and never fought the enemies mentioned.

The regimental combat teams for infantry, mechanized and armored units are now the playthings of bureaucrats and no man should ever take part. May God have mercy on your friend.


34 posted on 01/19/2016 11:56:07 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: niteowl77
Marine Corps Times is a Gannett publication- if there's a lefty in the Corps with a hint of literary ability, they will give him some ink.

Which is kind of sad, because the late founder Guy Gannett was a common-sense New Englander and a real patriot of the first order.

But those people ruin everything they touch, from business, to culture, to art and society in general.

35 posted on 01/19/2016 12:00:24 PM PST by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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To: frankenMonkey; Travis McGee; Squantos; Lurker
Yep. Gannett publishes the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times, Marine Corps Times, Defense News and Federal Times.

All rags in my opinion.

Time to bring back the Overseas Weekly.

36 posted on 01/19/2016 12:02:04 PM PST by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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To: rktman

what America needs is President control


37 posted on 01/19/2016 12:03:20 PM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: rktman
On January 18, the Marine Corps Times criticized the "yield-no-ground attitude toward gun control" and urged veterans to support more gun laws.

I agree. For a start, there should be a requirement for a license to not carry a concealed- or otherwise- weapon.


38 posted on 01/19/2016 12:14:57 PM PST by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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To: rktman
"Semper Fidelis": I suppose it is too much to ask that all Marines would follow that motto, but it is a disappointment when any Marine falls short. This ex-Marine (and don't tell me "there is no such thing as a former Marine"; anyone who supports unconstitutional gun control has no business claiming a current connection to the USMC) has fallen so far short that he's an embarrassment to the Corps. I'm not even a Marine, and I'm embarrassed for them.

Handling firearms in the USMC is done as a duty, and the Corps is right to enforce standards. Keeping and bearing arms as a civilian is an individual, God-given right. We can choose not to exercise that right if we believe we should not do so, but the government has no authority to infringe on that right and is, in fact, specifically prohibited from doing so.

There are no "common sense" gun restrictions that were not passed long ago, by our great-great-grandparents, who had common sense. The whole concept of "gun violence" as a political issue is nonsense. Without firearms, superior numbers or size will always win, and thugs in groups know it, as do muscular thugs. Colt was not advertising in support of gun violence when they said "God created men, Sam Colt made them equal"; they were advertising in support of the underdog.

My wife has no chance at all against most thugs, at least without a firearm. Armed, she's almost a sure thing to win if she has four or five seconds to react. Infringing on her right to keep and bear arms would, besides being unconstitutional, be immoral, and it would put her in danger. I find leftist efforts to endanger my wife, my mother, my daughters, and all women reprehensible.

Liberals disgust me, which is why I am firmly in the "yield no ground" camp. We have yielded ground too many times to liberals. They are never satsified with their symbolic efforts that accomplish nothing, and they keep going until they have genuine

39 posted on 01/19/2016 12:33:27 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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I’m a Marine Corps vet and I say G F Y!


40 posted on 01/19/2016 1:00:03 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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