Tom DeLay: Cruz Has Problem on Citizenship Issue

NewsMax ^ | 01/13/2016 | NewsMax

[Kit cat]

He didn’t just resign he was forced to resign by the GOP-e, due to legal trouble!!! Delay was the BEST whip the pubbies EVER had!!!! I Love This guy he was SCREWED to high heaven!!!! NO ONE on planet earth knows better than Delay the filthy, rotten, scummy ways of the DEMS!!!! ALL should listen to this guy, he KNOWS what these bastards will do to win at ALL costs!!!!

[Stentor]

Since they let the Manchurian Kenyan slip by, twice, they are up to their asses in alligators and don't know which way to turn.

The fiction propagated about Barky was that he was born on US soil. Cruz was born in Canuckistan without a doubt and proudly maintained his hockey loving Canadian citizenship until late last week.

[Fantasywriter]

‘Cruz needs to signal that he will approach the Supreme Court, once seated as POTUS, to provide clarity once and for all as to the term “natural born citizen” whether it works for him or not.

Cruz needs to continue his campaign “in good faith” that he would be found a “natural born citizen” based upon Obama successfully executing that office for two terms

Cruz needs to deflect detailed investigation as to his eligibility at this time as he cannot reasonably expend the time in court while on the campaign trail’

The point that keeps getting missed is that what would satisfy us will not satisfy the Dems. Some conservatives seem to be having a hard time grasping that if Cruz is the nominee, the Dems will litigate this issue to hell and back. The MSN will enable them. The political firestorm will be practically unprecedented.

[sphinx]

I agree. It was not a ridiculous notion. There was a very straightforward goal, easily achieved. But people today are trying to twist a simple thing into a profound legal and constitutional puzzle. That’s what I was objecting to. Ted Cruz’s mother was born in Delaware. Ted was an American from birth, with dual nationality in Canada because his dad was working there at the time. Ted qualifies.

[RC one]

This is why they can't be president.

[commish]

Unless someone can produce naturalization paperwork that made him a citizen later in his life, he’s natural born. An American mother who made him an American from day 1. If he was solely a Canadian citizen and then filed to become naturalized American later, then we ‘might’ have an issue to discuss.

Exactly. If you are naturalized there is paperwork making you a citizen. if Cruz is a citizen because he was born to an American Citizen then he is not Naturalized.

[EternalVigilance]

No. He was made a citizen solely by virtue of the generous provisions of the 1952 Immigration and Naturalization Act, not by nature.

[Fantasywriter]

‘And when it is Trump vs Cruz, who do the mainline, long-time politicians line up behind?’

Certainly not Trump. See Nikki Haley’s ‘rebuttal,’ to Obama’s SOTU speech.

[NOVACPA]

Nope a full citizen, just not a natural born citizen, which is a presidential requirement, not a class of citizenship, per se.

It’s much more stringent, as was intended and necessary for the Commander-in Chief.

[xzins]

That simply cannot be right. They don’t know who the presidential nominee will even be for either party. Probably Hillary for the dems, but who knows. And there’s no idea with the republicans, although Trump is in the lead.

If you’re talking about the primary, then fine. But I’m not talking about the primary. The challenges will wait to see if Cruz or Rubio wins the nomination.

And even then, a convention does have final say. They ‘can’ change things.

[Sir Bangaz Cracka]

"That single-parent requirement has been amended several times, but under the law in effect between 1952 and 1986 — Cruz was born in 1970 — someone must have a citizen parent who resided in the United States for at least 10 years, including five after the age of 14, in order to be considered a natural-born citizen. Cruz’s mother, Eleanor Darragh, was born in Delaware, lived most of her life in the United States, and gave birth to little Rafael Edward Cruz in her 30s. Q.E.D."

Does that then mean Viet Nam born children of an American soldier “citizen parent” who had “resided in the United States for at least 10 years, including five after the age of 14” are eligible? ...or also soldiers in Iraq, Germany, Turkey, etc. etc.? This could lead to a fascinating cast of future presidents. I guess allegiance could not be an issue then(?).

[driftdiver]

Aww it seems I’ve hit a nerve. You logic is flawed.

[Helicondelta]

“would you then stipulate that you became a citizen only after official recognition of your arrival”

Right. The official recognition happens at the moment that you are born. And a birth certificate is issued.

[commish]

No. He was made a citizen solely by virtue of the generous provisions of the 1952 Immigration and Naturalization Act, not by nature.

So, then he has a naturalization certificate, or he did not need one because he was already considered a citizen.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Aww it seems I’ve hit a nerve. You logic is flawed.

You can't even tell me what my logic even is! You didn't even understand what I wrote.

[so_real]

100% agree. We conservative birthers have been castigated on this forum for staying true to Constitutional originalism. My response to ad hominems is that the conservatives who have to resort to ridicule at this stage of the game against fellow conservatives, will be absolutely blitzkrieged by liberals in due course. It's a sign they are ill-prepared and will not win.

That's why Cruz must indicate he is running a campaign "in good faith" that just as Obama was vetted, he too would be vetted, and found eligible. But also, he must signal to conservatives that he would approach the SCOTUS once seated as POTUS for clarity on the matter once and for all. That buys him enough time with the conservatives to become the nominee; one hurdle satisfied. It also deflects the spotlight to Obama -- "if he's in, I'm in" -- which will deflate some of their sails in order to avoid the "fruit of a poisoned tree" doctrine undoing Obama's work. They can't enjoy "stare decisis" with Obama while attacking Cruz on the same grounds. And finally, SCOTUS can safely duck the issue until the election is over and the POTUS is seated as SCOTUS's purpose is legitimately not to provide consultation in future events (as John Jay specifically told Washington with regard to foreign treaties, if I recall correctly) but to litigate after the fact.

It's a three pronged offense. And I don't see Cruz getting the nod any other way but to employ it.

[FreeReign]

1) I quoted the word "citizens," in response to you asserting that the law explicitly said "to one parent" .

Wrong, you used directly quoted the act, saying "child of parents". Do you know what quotes are used for? LOL.

I corrected you by saying that the word in the phrase was "citizens" and not "parents".

When I did use the word parent I did not use quotes. I was paraphrasing.

Do you understand the logical difference.

You won't, because you really are dumber than you think.

The rest of your post is unreadable nonsense.

[katana]

I agree with you completely. The requirement was in response to 18th century conditions. Assuming his mother did not renounce her citizenship, Cruz was an American citizen at birth requiring no naturalization, i.e. "natural born". That seems to be the consensus legal opinion of neutral observers who have so far commented. As with those who don't seem to understand the difference between TPA (passed) and TPP (not yet debated much less voted on) there's a lot of inflamed nonsense being spouted as fact here. That being said, if it can be documented that she did renounce before his birth and he went through the process of naturalization along with his father then the courts might have something to chew over.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Doesn’t matter if the child is born on base or not.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Doesn’t matter if the child is born on base or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKvT6DDR-4A

http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-ted-cruz-is-a-natural-born-citizen-and-eligible-to-be-president/