Posted on 12/27/2015 4:27:34 PM PST by Bratch
BTTT Thomas Aquinas
I don’t possess much admiration or respect for Aquinas or other “church fathers” because of their ignorant, misogynistic views on women. But, on this topic , Aquinas was spot on.
The Prus had their own pagan beliefs, as did everyone else in Europe before the Christians converted them by evangelism, bribery or the sword.
The Prus were famous for worshipping the god of wood, as would be natural for a Baltic people.
I wouldn’t be too upset at Aquinas or “church fathers”
Consider the time in which they lived. Women weren’t too high on the totem pole of life. :)
(I am a woman.)
Thank you. Great post.
I guarantee that Northern European women were treated better than their Muslim counterparts down south
That’s true, misogyny was rampant in those days. Still it makes my blood pressure rise when I read their opinions on women:)
Smart Catholics respect Aquinas, your friend probably does not know much.
Absolutely. And that treatment remains today.
No reason to get steamed about things that happened long ago.
Times have changed...for most. ;)
The womyn are 72 copies of Hilarious Klintoon.
Nah...she’s a smart lady...but very competitive. After reading some of the things I have..I really think that is the crux of the matter.
I was really interested in reading some other Catholic views on Aquinas. I thought maybe there was some controversy I was unaware of.
The problem is her pride but you knew that.
Yes, fortunately, they’ve changed. Except in the Islamic world, lol:)
Nonsense!!
PGR88 wrote: As Islam is firmly rooted in the primitive culture of 7th Century Arabia, Islam is by definition then at conflict with the modern, non-Islamic world, the pre-eminence of science and reason. Islam will either succeed in dragging the world back to the 7th Century, or it will be destroyed. We are engaged in that lengthy process right now.
It is interesting the way socialists approach theological concepts but when it comes to Islam they are not the only ones who refuse to approach the issue. That even includes leading Christian clergy including Pope Francis.
Followers of Mohammed not only claim, but truly believe that God has authorized them to kill those who refuse to submit to their version of Gods will.
That is a basic tenet of that religion. A claim which goes unchallanged. While it is understandable for atheists which most socialists are, not to approach that claim on a theological basis but by bombing and killing those who believe in it will not end its practice.
Islam as construed with its portrayal of a mercyless evil deity approving using deception and deceit is an abomination which must be discredited and condemed. And that can only be done by attacking its assertions and tenets. Certainly not by deying they do not exist. .
But bewildering why many Christian clergy concerned about quote, political correctness, unquote, refuse to address what an insult to God it is and worse yet are unable to condem then convince and convert its advocates and adhearants they are followers of an evil creed .
The Koran which was not given to Mohammed by God but by some angel .Demanding enforcement of sharia law which draws heavily from the Torah.It is a pseudo religious concoction using monotheistic selected texts, taken and misconstrued from the old (bible) and new testaments.
Both of which cite the Almighty has granted free will to accept or obey his laws and God is the final judge not man: Sodom and Gormora ,and Let he who is without sin cast the stone, are outstanding examples from both books. One deals with sin and Gods decision toward a group the other to an individual, neither is left to man.
Yet followers of Mohammed under the severest of penalties are forbidden to read either which would refute that assertion in a creed which institutionalizes disgusting arab tribal views, observances,and customs. Claiming adhearants are authorized by our Creator to demand submission to it or suffer an ignominious death administered by followers of Islam simply because they answer the call to prayer 5 times a day.
http://www.theusmat.com/islamandfreewill.htm
Do not revel in your own ignorance.
While Wiki is not the best, this is concise and true:
“The Prussian Crusade was a series of 13th-century campaigns of Roman Catholic crusaders, primarily led by the Teutonic Knights, to Christianize the pagan Old Prussians.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Crusade
VanShuyten wrote:the Roman Catholics had a crusade against my Prussian ancestors, the goal of which was to forcibly convert or kill them.
Ah the much maligned and misunderstood Order of Teutonic Knights a mixture of nobles from both Polish (Kashube) and German Baltic (Pomerainian) principalities sanctioned and aligned to (and not local princes or kingdoms) by the Pope to protect the Christians who were all “catholic” at the time from the native Prus. In an area we call today Kaliningrad That later took their name Prussia as an entity.
Not all Christians were Roman Catholic at that time, not even in Europe. Yes, there were cross-border attacks by all in the region. And yes, this was most likely just an excuse to give the Teutonic Knights some place so they wouldn’t threaten others and just go away, or be destroyed in the attempt.
The point here is that Roman Catholic Pope Honorius III gave sanction to conquer and convert the Prus by crusade. The article here talks about Aquinas saying how awful the muslims were for expanding their religion by the sword, but just a few years earlier, his own church had done exactly the same.
The point here is that Aquinas is being hypocritical. Christians have changed so that we no longer convert by the sword, while muslims have not, but using the words of a man who likely approved of the forcible conversion of the Prus is not a good argument against present muslim expansionism by violence.
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