HI! I thought I'd drop by and check out your M60s and Leos. Ooops. Oh well, they looked impressive while they lasted.
Posted on 11/29/2015 7:07:56 AM PST by Strategy
Translation:
"Endless battalions of tanks, APCs and Firtina self-propelled howitzers are being transferred from the region of Evros and the Zone of Responsibility of the 1st Army to the borders with Syria and there is information to suggest movement of Leo2A4 tanks with 120mm guns and much greater survivability against the Russian T-90 than the upgraded M60T SABRA.
The tanks are being moved from the western provinces of Turkey and joined the 5th Armoured Brigade based in Gaziantep.
Turkish tanks are transported by all means. Some arrive by train, others by tank carriers.
Overall, more than 1,000 battle tanks, artillery, APCs and self-propelled rocket launchers were moved from Eastern Thrace in the direction of Syria.
The Turkish 1st Army comprises four Armored Brigades, 7 Mechanized Infantry Brigades and two Infantry Divisions. The proportion of Greek and Turkish tanks in the Evros region is 1: 1.9.
However the Turkish armoured and mechanised Brigades are formations of four or five manoeuvring until, deploying a total of about 28 squadrons of tanks, while under the 5th Army Corps also falls an independent reconaissance squadron.
(Excerpt) Read more at pronews.gr ...
Isiah 17 and then Ezekiel 38.
I doubt, because he is a rat. He will jump ship ASAP.
Have you seen some dogs bark loud from distance and first to leave with tail between legs.
The globalist banking oligarchy has surmised that they can profit most from a regional conflict they are directing ... via little bathhouse barry bastard boy’s work for them. L4B is their puppet, for now. he is too stupid to realize he is imminently expendable when their timing is right. The collapse of America must be accomplished before the global banking government can be put in global control.
Yes it does and the results be even worse this time around.
Improved survivability vs the T-90’s 3BK29M ‘Abrams killer’ rounds? Yeah, maybe like cardboard is better protection against a sword than tissue paper - the difference is just that of degree and not a very large one either.
There will be wars and rumors of wars. Nation will rise against nation.
All that stuff is toast without air cover. Right now the West has no experience (read no defense against {there are defense systems, but there is no indication of purchase and deployment}) with the Russian S-400 systems that they claim to have moved in (the only video posted shows only missile tubes being unloaded, but not the all important engagement radar - without which the system could just be a S-300 variant).
However, if that is a full-blown S-400, then Russia has established a real no-fly zone stretching from central Turkey, all of Crete, Syria, and Lebanon, to western Iraq, and half of Israel, to Port Said in Egypt. And if Russia has brought in SU-25s (an A-10 equivalent), then so much for those spiffy German tanks.
"The Turkish Army received 354 Leopard 2A4s."
"Production and exports In September 1977, the German Ministry of Defence decided to go ahead with plans for the production of 1,800 Leopard 2s, to be delivered in five batches. Krauss-Maffei was again chosen as the main contractor, but this time Maschinenbau Kiel (MaK), of Kiel would be a major (45%) subcontractor. Deliveries started in 1979, and by 1982 the first batch of 380 Leopard 2; 209 by Krauss-Maffei (Chassis Nr. 10001 to 10210) and 171 by MaK (Chassis Nr. 20001 to 20172) was completed. The earliest of these were fitted with an image intensifier, the last 80 with a new thermal night-sight system, which was later retrofitted to the earlier models.
The first export customer was the Netherlands, which received 445 vehicles between July 1981 and July 1986.[7] The Netherlands later resold 114 of these (and one turret) to Austria, 80 to Canada in 2007,[8] another 52 tanks to Norway, 37 to Portugal and finally 100 to Finland. Sweden also acquired 280 Leopards, 160 2A4s from German stocks, designated Stridsvagn 121, and the rest Leopard 2(S) models (designated Stridsvagn 122) similar in configuration to the Leopard 2A5 variant. Spain first leased and later bought 108 2A4 models in the interim period before 219 license-built Leopard 2A6 models (Leopard 2E) were ready to replace them. Switzerland bought 380 between 1987 and 1993. Some countries also use versions of the tank, including Poland, Denmark, Finland, Greece (license-built Leopard 2Hel), Turkey and Chile. Germany has fielded about 2,125 Leopard 2s in various versions. The design was also tested by the UK in the 1980s, which ultimately decided on the Challenger 1. The Australian Army evaluated ex-Swiss Army Leopard 2s as a replacement for its Leopard 1 tanks in 2003 but instead selected the M1A1 Abrams."
The Ruskies have not yet developed tactics to deal with Leopard tanks? It sounds like they have had a few decades to think about it.
Erdogan....
A play on words, rather letters of a name..
Erdogan.. Armageddon.. Aerdogeddon.. Close enough..
The English word Armageddon comes from a name of a area in the Jezareal Valley of Israel Har Megeddo.
Yup, that’s the ex-German 2A4 type that Turkey bought from Germany. It has tungsten-titanium turret armor upgrades but no reactive armor, no Chobham/composite armor and the hull armor sucks against modern APFSDS rounds to the sides and rear. Nice big flat vertical surfaces for projectiles to penetrate through the turret, too.
Russia brought in 1000 Kornets at the start of their build up ...
Any of their long-developed strategies to deal with the Abrams will make mincemeat of the stock Leopard 2A4s. The Abrams is still reasonably survivable against many of their recent updates, per most experts, but the unupgraded 2A4 is at a severe disadvantage.
Turkey may soon have cause to regret not buying the Trophy ADS system from Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtMgnRMIspQ
Russia has a similar system installed on their tanks (having learned the need for them after Afghanistan and Chechnya) - Arena - and they may have even started installing the Ukranian-developed Zazlon system too.
they are going to take a bite out of Syria, it is Turkey’s Crimea .... Monkey see (Russia) Monkey Do (Turkey)
The only counter for Russia is a tank sprint across Georgia, they don’t have a large enough counter to play in the region without it.
Honestly, I think Putin would do it if Turkey does it.
That's what he SHOULD tell them. But religious affiliation may outweigh his natural cowardice. Obama is a real tough guy with lawfare; but when his nose may get bloodied, not so much. But he's a Muslim, too, and Erdogan is his best bud.
It’s their relatives, they are related to those people ... they are going to play the same card Russia played in Crimea .... we have to defend our people from being slaughtered by Russia
all these systems can be defeated by detonation of ordnance on target, they need multiple systems and backups so another can be brought on line when one is blown up.
Turkey was planning to update their 2A4s to 2A7 or better status, and there’s even a Turkish outfit selling an upgrade kit (see the Singapore 2SG spec, for example.) But then they got Erdogan and company in and the upgrade program seems to have fallen by the wayside - which as it turns out seems to have been fortunate for Russia and not so great for the Islamist types.
The Russians figured that out a while back. Both the S300 and S400 (among their other systems) are datalink-capable - properly sited, you have to take out multiple radars and launchers to get any sort of hole in air defenses as the network simply compensates for problems like that now. Such a system can also function as a virtual large array system and localize stealth aircraft well enough to warn the operator that there’s one operating in the area and vector AAA fire into the area, though not well enough to establish or maintain radar missile lock.
The S300’s issue (at least on the export grade systems) seems to be that it can’t see anything moving at 500 feet or less, which is how Israel got away with some of their prior strikes on Syria and other places with the S300 system. Supposedly the S400 radar solves this problem.
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