Has "Government of THE PEOPLE, by THE PEOPLE, for THE PEOPLE" perished from the earth?

American Minute ^ | 11/22/2015 | Bill Federer

[cowboyway]

“Whether we remain in one confederacy, or form into Atlantic and Mississippi confederacies, I believe not very important to the happiness of either part. Those of the western confederacy will be as much our children & descendants as those of the eastern, and I feel myself as much identified with that country, in future time, as with this; and did I now foresee a separation at some future day, yet I should feel the duty & the desire to promote the western interests as zealously as the eastern, doing all the good for both portions of our future family which should fall within my power.”-—Thomas Jefferson

“States should separate from our companions only when the sole alternatives left, are the dissolution of our Union with them, or submission to a government without limitation of powers. Between these two evils, when we must make a choice, there can be no hesitation.”-—Thomas Jefferson

“whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government”-—Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence

[cowboyway]

Do we wait until we awaken one morning to a dictatorship or do we learn from history? Those are the questions that we have before us.

This thread was ostensibly started to discuss solutions to the increasingly illegitimate federal government. The pollyanna faction insist that the vote and hope method is the only solution and that dissolution of the compact is insane. But, with a runaway federal government, voting and hoping for change is the very definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

[cowboyway]

States enumerated powers were defined in the Constitution.

Which was ignored by Lincoln during the War after which the 9th and 10th amendments became increasingly irrelevant following union victory and the subsequent occupation and subjugation.

Consent of the governed is all but ignored in DC and you know it.

BTW, thanks for the history lesson, professor. Why, you po chill, you must have stayed up all night long cutting and pasting from wikipedia.

[rockrr]

Now I remember you. You’re pokie the pretend cowboy with the jackass sized chip on his shoulder. You’ve been away for a long time. Involuntary commitment? Prison sentence?

No one here said that “vote and hope” were the only choices, but that they, along with more effective conservative activism, represent the best and most reasonable approach to regaining our nation. My point stands - dissembling our nation is the second to last resort and the reason why is because it will inevitably leads to the last resort - civil war (especially if the effort is run by hotheads like yourself). No reasonable person wants that - which is why you are dismissed.

[cowboyway]

Just like a liberal. Gotta resort to name calling. And you call me a hothead and unreasonable. Anybody reading your last post can easily envision you sitting there spitting out the words as you type.

No matter how you try to package it, vote and hope is all you have. And it don’t work. The system is broken. Sending a different set of politicians to DC is not the answer. My point is irrefutable with 150 years of empirical data to support it.

Civil war is not inevitable. For example: Texas could petition the other states for consent to leave the union. If 3/4 of the remaining 49 states consent, then Texas is an independent republic. Not a drop of blood has the be spilled.

But, as I’ve previously posted, Jefferson was correct: “experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”