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Ethanol loses its few friends: Even Dr. Ben Carson has backed away from subsidies and mandates
CFACT ^ | November 17, 2015 | Marita Noon

Posted on 11/21/2015 1:54:16 PM PST by george76

in a major policy reversal, Carson .. no longer supports subsidies for any industry, including U.S. ethanol producers

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Plainly irritated, the ethanol industry shot back immediately, saying it receives no government subsidies. But it neglected to mention a very important fact. Instead of subsidies, ethanol producers get something better: a mandate that orders refiners to blend ethanol into motor fuels which forces consumers to buy their product. A federally guaranteed market beats a subsidy every time.

The ethanol industry also benefits indirectly from agriculture programs that support farmers who grow corn for ethanol

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In attempt to push more ethanol into the motor fuel market, the Environmental Protection Agency readily admits it plans to drive growth in renewable fuels by providing appropriate incentives ...

the ethanol mandate is a do-gooder program that has gone horribly wrong .

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The ethanol mandate has been blamed for rising food prices-particularly for beef and poultry-because it has increased the cost of animal feed. Ethanol - blended fuel provides fewer miles per gallon because ethanol contains only two-thirds as much energy as gasoline, forcing motorists to fill up more often.

The mandate puts at risk millions of vehicles owned and operated by private citizens and fleets. Ethanol is corrosive. In tests, it has been proven to eat engine components, including seals and gaskets, causing expensive repairs.

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marine engine makers also caution boat owners to avoid E15. During winter storage, they suggest pouring a fuel stabilizer into built-in gas tanks to avoid problems. A survey of boat owners has shown ethanol-related repairs cost an average of about $1,000.

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By November 30, the administration must finalize the amount of biofuels that must be blended into motor fuels in the next couple of years. A pitched battle is developing on Capitol Hill.

(Excerpt) Read more at cfact.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Iowa; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: agitprop; energy; epa; ethanol; gasoline; mandates; maritanoon; methane; ntsa; opec; petrochemical; petroleum; subsidies
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To: george76

Wow, was just reading this thread here in Illinois and saw back-to-back ads against ethanol and one for it. Been awhile.


41 posted on 11/21/2015 4:07:15 PM PST by jettester (I got paid to break 'em - not fly 'em)
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To: george76

Dr Ben Nyquil just lost Iowa, the gasahol loving state.


42 posted on 11/21/2015 5:51:51 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Syrians escape to live well in US & EU..Our troops go to Syria to die in their place. More Obamacrap)
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To: george76

Get that crap out of our fuel.
If you search a little I found you can find some independent gas stations that sell ethonal free gas.
Anyone storing gas needs to store ethanol free, it will rmain a quality fuel longer.


43 posted on 11/21/2015 5:57:25 PM PST by right way right (May we remain sober over mere men, for God really is our one and only true hope.)
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To: achilles2000

“According to Ford spokeswoman Kristen Kinley, Henry Ford’s first four-wheel
engine-powered vehicle, the quadracycle, ran strictly on ethanol in 1896.
When it was released in 1908, the Model T could run on either gasoline or
ethanol or a combination thereof. As the market embraced petroleum, Ford
stopped producing vehicles that could run on either fuel and focused on
gasoline engines. But the first few years of Model Ts could run on either
fuel. “


44 posted on 11/21/2015 6:10:16 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: JoeProBono

Nice Headlights...


45 posted on 11/21/2015 6:10:44 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: McGruff

>> Ethanol is terrible for your car, truck or whatever.

If you use ethanol in your small-engine whatever, you’ll soon have gasoline coming out of your whatever... ‘cause it ruins the little hoses and bulbs and stuff used to plumb your whatever.

Ethanol mandate should be totally killed. Screw the corn belt megafarmers; they’re among the worst corporate gibsmedats in the country.

Until you can buy gas minus corn squeezin’s, mix Sta-Bil into your whatever’s gasanol. Shameless plug for Sta-Bil. It works.


46 posted on 11/21/2015 6:11:07 PM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: cripplecreek

>> I think people are wildly overstating the importance of supporting ethanol subsidies among farmers.

Maybe, but I have run into some pretty rabid pro-methanol big farmers, in person as well as right here on FR. I think there are a lot of them that have built their farm business model on the demand guarantees of mandated ethanol.


47 posted on 11/21/2015 6:14:15 PM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: Nervous Tick

The Corn Belt grows corn because it is ideally suited to the former Tall Grass Prairie, as corn is a tall grass. Iowa is going to grow huge amounts of corn regardless of ethanol.

Marginal areas outside of the Corn Belt, as well as pork and chicken producers are among the beneficiaries of corn-based fuel ethanol.


48 posted on 11/21/2015 10:58:47 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

Thanks for the insight.

Note that I am not against ethanol. I’m against ethanol *mandates*.

Farmers and distillers ought to produce all the corn and distill all the ethanol that the (FREE!) market can use!


49 posted on 11/22/2015 4:57:49 AM PST by Nervous Tick (There is no "allah" but satan, and mohammed was his demon-possessed tool.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Every Russian’s dream: 190 proof vodka for $1.50 per gallon!


50 posted on 11/22/2015 5:57:39 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto
JDR’s contribution to autos is under-appreciated.

.Excellent point. Among those contributions was JDR's invention of the railroad tank car, which enabled the economical transport of large quantities of petroleum over long distances. Before the tank car, oil was transported in barrels, as it continues to be priced today.

51 posted on 11/23/2015 9:14:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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