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Four more civil rights lawsuits after Twin Peaks shooting arrests [Waco]
KXXV-TV ^ | November 18, 2015 | Dustin Hoyt

Posted on 11/18/2015 5:50:56 AM PST by don-o

Four more bikers have filed civil rights lawsuits after their arrests following the Twin Peaks Biker Shootout in May of 2015.

Robert Bucy, George Bergman, Noe Adame and Jorge Salinas have filed suit alongside Matthew Clendennen, claiming their constitutional rights were violated.

117 bikers were arrested and held on $1 million bond in the days after the shooting.

The lawsuit names Waco Police Chief Brent Stroman, Waco Police Detective Manuel Chavez, McLennan County District Attorney Abel Reyna and a currently unnamed trooper with the Department of Public Safety as defendants.

All five bikers are asking for a jury trial, damages and attorney fees.

The suit claims that the arrests of the bikers en mass were unlawful, mainly because of a "complete absence of individual, particularized facts to establish probable cause." That claim centers around "fill-in the blank" warrants that attorneys for bikers say were used against their clients.

The main contention of the case is one of constitutional rights, and has potentially crippling consequences for tax payers if the bikers are able to win in court.

Local officials and law enforcement have declined to comment in the past, due to pending litigation and a gag order on Matthew Clendennen's case.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brodenfanboys; waco
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To: Cboldt
move the court to lift the court's conditions

How many billable hours does that add to their legal cost?

I have kind of understood, over the years, how sausage is made. Making "justice" is more disgusting.

21 posted on 11/18/2015 6:36:36 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: mac_truck
-- I'd be surprised if his attorney has refiled it. --

Color you surprised. Clink on the links in the post you replied to, in case you didn't grasp the outcome of "technically, there are five new suits, not four" in combination with a list of suits filed.

22 posted on 11/18/2015 6:37:10 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: don-o
-- How many billable hours does that add to their legal cost? --

Less than one, I'd guess. The motion is more of notice, and there aren't any precedents or arguments that need to be made. Just note the elapse of time and the pertinent CrimPro clause.

-- I have kind of understood, over the years, how sausage is made. Making "justice" is more disgusting. --

Everybody who works in the system is cynical about it.

23 posted on 11/18/2015 6:40:12 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: CondorFlight
-- You're up against the power of the state, so you have to be ready for a battle. --

Welcome to the casino of law! Where decisions are made on a whim and a favor, and "the house" can do no wrong.

If the precedents, statutory or constitutional law cuts the wrong way, the judges just make up a new rule.

24 posted on 11/18/2015 6:43:54 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: don-o

Weren’t 9 people killed? Has anyone been charged with murder or second degree or whatever?


25 posted on 11/18/2015 7:29:27 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: sportutegrl
Weren't 9 people killed?

Yep

Has anyone been charged with murder or second degree or whatever?

Nope.

26 posted on 11/18/2015 7:45:43 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o
The way I read the indictments, ALL of those charged are charged with murder, and/or consort to murder, and/or assault, and/or consort to assault.

The person charged did then and there intentionally and knowingly cause the death of one or more of ten named people, and defendant used or exhibited a deadly weapon or knew that a deadly weapon would be used or exhibited; and did such as a member of a criminal street gang.

The person charged did then and there intentionally, knowingly and recklessly cause the bodily injury of one or more of twenty-four named people, and defendant used or exhibited a deadly weapon or knew that a deadly weapon would be used or exhibited; and did such as a member of a criminal street gang.

27 posted on 11/18/2015 8:53:54 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

That is just bizarre.


28 posted on 11/18/2015 9:06:57 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o
-- That is just bizarre. --

It is. I bet the injured ones are charged with (and/or) injuring themselves.

I cited parts of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure for the proposition that the indictments are deficient (certainly are for the "reckless" angle), but then opined that Texas Courts probably routinely accept this style.

Still no arraignments/pleas, and none appear on the docket schedule for the 19th District Court, or the docket schedule for the 54th District Court.

29 posted on 11/18/2015 9:20:29 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

https://www.facebook.com/WacoPoliceDepartment/?fref=nf

Waco Police Officers Involved in Shooting Cleared by Grand Jury

A McLennan County Grand Jury met today and has completed their review of the Officer Involved Shooting that occurred on 8-11-15 at the HEB located at 3801 N. 19th street. The two officers were “No Billed” during the Grand Jury meeting.

The Waco Police Department completed two separate investigations on the incident, one of which included the assistance of the Texas Rangers. Both the administrative and the criminal investigation showed the involved officers followed department training, procedures and state law.

Upon hearing the No Bill determination, Chief Stroman stated, “Per Department protocol the two officers have been cleared by two separate and thorough investigations as is routine in officer involved shootings. These officers were forced into a life or death situation by an armed suspect and they acted in defense of themselves and others. We are appreciative of the job conducted by the Departments Investigators, the Texas Rangers, the McLennan County DA’s office and the Grand Jury in this case.”

Both of the involved officers, Officer Fernando Flores and Rebecca Diaz will return to full duty.


30 posted on 11/18/2015 9:38:08 AM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o
According to Six bikers arrested in Waco shootout file civil rights lawsuits - WFAA - Tanya Eiserer, there is a sixth suit, also filed by Broden. The sixth plaintiff is John Vensel. I see five cases filed against Stroman in Texas Western District Court yesterday, but not one on behalf of Vensel.

List of Case numbers ...

1:2015cv01040 Bucy v. Stroman et al
1:2015cv01041 Clendennen v. Stroman et al
1:2015cv01042 Bergman v. Stroman et al
1:2015cv01043 Adame v. Stroman et al
1:2015cv01044 Salinas v. Stroman et al

Justia.com docket search on "Stroman"

31 posted on 11/18/2015 12:11:47 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

So we can conclude that those are not planning to cop a plea. Right?


32 posted on 11/18/2015 12:43:39 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o
-- So we can conclude that those are not planning to cop a plea. Right? --

ROTFL. Yes, that's for sure. Looney has a good point in that copping a plea in light of being charged under a novel (and flimsy) theory of crime, may subject the involved lawyer to ethical and malpractice claims.

33 posted on 11/18/2015 12:58:40 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Latest from Aging Rebel

A group of at least 30 defense attorneys representing defendants charged in the Twin Peaks Massacre have scheduled a joint press conference tomorrow at the Waco Hilton at 2:15 p.m. Central Time.

34 posted on 11/18/2015 1:03:43 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

A lot of information on that Aging Rebel link. Do you think it should be its own thread?


35 posted on 11/18/2015 3:24:10 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

How about you do it?


36 posted on 11/18/2015 3:47:22 PM PST by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: CondorFlight

Nifong still makes a better verb than Reyna.


37 posted on 11/18/2015 4:02:37 PM PST by USNBandit (Sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: don-o

Done:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3362190/posts


38 posted on 11/18/2015 4:05:20 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: don-o; Cboldt

https://www.scribd.com/doc/290172981/Clendennen-Lawsuit


39 posted on 11/18/2015 5:28:51 PM PST by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry
No harm in repetition, and all five suits are linked at post 3 above.
40 posted on 11/18/2015 5:34:11 PM PST by Cboldt
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