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There Is Only One Way to Defeat ISIS
Esquire ^ | 14 November 2015 | Charles P. Pierce

Posted on 11/15/2015 9:48:08 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon

There was a strange stillness in the news on Saturday morning, a Saturday morning that came earlier in Paris than it did in Des Moines, a city in Iowa, one of the United States of America. The body count had stabilized. The new information came at a slow, stately pace, as though life were rearranging itself out of quiet respect for the dead. The new information came at a slow and stately pace and it arranged itself in the way that you suspected it would arrange itself when the first accounts of the mass murder began to spread out over the wired world. There has been the predictable howling from predictable people. (Judith Miller? Really? This is an opinion the world needed to hear?) There has been the straining to wedge the events of Friday night into the Procrustean nonsense of an American presidential campaign. There will be a debate among the three Democratic candidates for president in Des Moines on Saturday night. I suspect that the moderators had to toss out a whole raft of questions they already had prepared. Everything else is a distraction. It is the stately, stillness of the news itself that matters.

The attacks were a brilliantly coordinated act of war. They were a brilliantly coordinated act of pure terrorism, beyond rhyme but not beyond reason. They struck at the most cosmopolitan parts of the most cosmopolitan city in the world. They struck out at assorted sectors of western popular culture. They struck out at sports, at pop music, and at simple casual dining. They struck out at an ordinary Friday night's entertainment. The attacks were a brilliantly coordinated statement of political and social purpose, its intent clear and unmistakable. The attacks were a brilliantly coordinated act of fanatical ideological and theological Puritanism, brewed up in the dark precincts of another of mankind's monotheisms. They were not the first of these. (The closest parallel to what happened in Paris is what happened in Mumbai in 2008. In fact, Mumbai went on alert almost immediately after the news broke.) They, alas, are likely not going to be the last.

The stillness of the news is a place of refuge and of reason on yet another day in which both of these qualities are predictably in short supply. It is a place beyond unfocused rage, and beyond abandoned wrath, and beyond unleashed bigotry and hate. It is a place where Friday night's savagery is recognized and memorialized, but it is not put to easy use for trivial purposes. The stillness of the news, if you seek it out, is a place where you can think, sadly and clearly, about what should happen next.

These are a few things that will not solve the terrible and tangled web of causation and violence in which the attacks of Friday night were spawned. A 242-ship Navy will not stop one motivated murderous fanatic from emptying the clip of an AK-47 into the windows of a crowded restaurant. The F-35 fighter plane will not stop a group of motivated murderous fanatics from detonating bombs at a soccer match. A missile-defense shield in Poland will not stop a platoon of motivated murderous fanatics from opening up in a jammed concert hall, or taking hostages, or taking themselves out with suicide belts when the police break down the doors. American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will not stop the events like what happened in Paris from happening again because American soldiers dying in the sands of Syria or Iraq will be dying there in combat against only the most obvious physical manifestation of a deeper complex of ancient causes and ancient effects made worse by the reach of the modern technology of bloodshed and murder. Nobody's death is ever sacrifice enough for that.

Abandoning the Enlightenment values that produced democracy will not plumb the depths of the vestigial authoritarian impulse that resides in us all, the wish for kings, the desire for order, to be governed, and not to govern. Flexing and posturing and empty venting will not cure the deep sickness in the human spirit that leads people to slaughter the innocent in the middle of a weekend's laughter. The expression of bigotry and hatred will not solve the deep desperation in the human heart that leads people to kill their fellow human beings and then blow themselves up as a final act of murderous vengeance against those they perceive to be their enemies, seen and unseen, real and imagined. Tough talk in the context of what happened in Paris is as empty as a bell rung at the bottom of a well.

Francois Hollande, the French president who was at the soccer game that was attacked, has promised that France will wage "pitiless war" against the forces that conceived and executed the attacks. Most wars are pitiless, but not all of them are fought with the combination of toughness and intelligence that this one will require. This was a lesson that the United States did not learn in the aftermath of the attacks of September 11, 2001. There are things that nations can do in response that are not done out of xenophobic rage and a visceral demand for revenge. There are things that nations can do in response that do not involve scapegoating the powerless and detaining the innocent. There is no real point in focusing a response on the people whose religion makes us nervous. States should retaliate against states.

It is long past time for the oligarchies of the Gulf states to stop paying protection to the men in the suicide belts. Their societies are stunted and parasitic. The main job of the elites there is to find enough foreign workers to ensla...err....indenture to do all the real work. The example of Qatar and the interesting business plan through which that country is building the facilities for the 2022 World Cup is instructive here. Roughly the same labor-management relationship exists for the people who clean the hotel rooms and who serve the drinks. In Qatar, for people who come from elsewhere to work, passports have been known to disappear into thin air. These are the societies that profit from terrible and tangled web of causation and violence that played out on the streets of Paris. These are the people who buy their safety with the blood of innocents far away.

It's not like this is any kind of secret. In 2010, thanks to WikiLeaks, we learned that the State Department, under the direction of then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, knew full well where the money for foreign terrorism came from. It came from countries and not from a faith. It came from sovereign states and not from an organized religion. It came from politicians and dictators, not from clerics, at least not directly. It was paid to maintain a political and social order, not to promulgate a religious revival or to launch a religious war. Religion was the fuel, the ammonium nitrate and the diesel fuel. Authoritarian oligarchy built the bomb. As long as people are dying in Paris, nobody important is dying in Doha or Riyadh.

Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba - but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton. "More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. "Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said. Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates. The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them. The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder to assure their own survival in power. Assets from these states should be frozen, all over the west. Money trails should be followed, wherever they lead. People should go to jail, in every country in the world. It should be done state-to-state. Stop funding the murder of our citizens and you can have your money back. Maybe. If we're satisfied that you'll stop doing it. And, it goes without saying, but we'll say it anyway - not another bullet will be sold to you, let alone advanced warplanes, until this act gets cleaned up to our satisfaction. If that endangers your political position back home, that's your problem, not ours. You are no longer trusted allies. Complain, and your diplomats will be going home. Complain more loudly, and your diplomats will be investigated and, if necessary, detained. Retaliate, and you do not want to know what will happen, but it will done with cold, reasoned and, yes, pitiless calculation. It will not be a blind punch. You will not see it coming. It will not be an attack on your faith. It will be an attack on how you conduct your business as sovereign states in a world full of sovereign states.

And the still, stately progress of the news from Paris continues. There are arrests today in Brussels, of alleged co-conspirators. The body count has stabilized. New information comes at its own pace, as if out of respect for the dead. In the stillness of the news itself, there is refuge and reason and a kind of wounded, ragged peace, as whatever rolled up from the depths of the sickness of the human heart rolls back again, like the tide and, like the tide, one day will return.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: isis; islam; islamistheenemy; jihad; killers; muslims; paris; parisjihadattack; terror
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1 posted on 11/15/2015 9:48:09 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon
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To: Admin Moderator

Oops!

Title should read

There Is Only One Way to Defeat ISIS


2 posted on 11/15/2015 9:49:15 AM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon (I wish someone would tell me what "diddy wah diddy" means....)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Well this certainly answers one of the pressing questions.

How is ISIS allowed to fund itself and continue to bring in re-enforcement from around the world?


3 posted on 11/15/2015 9:50:21 AM PST by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

I thought if he used the word brilliant to describe the
attacks one more time I would scream.
Oh, and the “stillness” of the news too.

What a load of crap.


4 posted on 11/15/2015 9:52:58 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
"... Des Moines, a city in Iowa, one of the United States of America."

Wow, that's like, really deep, man!
That's like, Literature, man!

5 posted on 11/15/2015 9:53:52 AM PST by Redbob (#BlackCoffeeMatters)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

The Only Way,

Invade their country’s,

kill their leaders

and

convert them to Christianity.

Ann Coulter


6 posted on 11/15/2015 9:58:36 AM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon
"It's time for this to stop. It's time to be pitiless against the bankers and against the people who invest in murder..."

No, asswipe, it's time to recognize who the MURDERERS are, - muslims - and say it out loud!

You can't defeat an enemy you're afraid to name!
Name them, find them, KILL THEM!
Kill their parents, kiill their children, kill their friends; burn their houses, salt their fields - or just turn their lands into a green glowing glassy plain...

7 posted on 11/15/2015 9:58:46 AM PST by Redbob (#BlackCoffeeMatters)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

We really need some Common Sense islam control.

In fact, I am for the outright banning of islam.

How many more people have to die at the hands of allah before we come together and act?

It’s time to change the politics.


8 posted on 11/15/2015 9:59:18 AM PST by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

The only way to defeat ISIS is to

1. KILL THEM ALL...KILL THEM ALL..KILL THEM ALL.
2. KILL THEIR SUPPORTERS...KILL THEIR SUPPORTERS...KILL THEIR SUPPORTERS
3. WIPE OUT EVERY TERRORIST ORGANIZATION ON THE PLANET...ONCE AND FOR ALL

However, I’ve seen slavery issue firsthand, while working in Baghdad. A construction company, hired by the government, was supposed to build across the street from Husseins old palace. They brought in a group of eastern europeans. Construction stopped, the workers didn’t have money or passports. They were fenced in to a compound and couldn’t leave it because they had no money or id. Guys would give them MREs and water bottles but eventually we were told not to do that. They looked like something out of some futuristic movie. Don’t know whatever happened to them.


9 posted on 11/15/2015 10:03:20 AM PST by qaz123
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

No.
You must go after the cult they call a “religion” as well.
If not, you’re just pi$$ing into the wind. The “respect” shown it is no more than obeisance, and proves to them that they are superior. Just like giving food, water, and clothing to the fake “refugees” who are only the advance guard of an invading army.
They KNOW that they are due this as a matter of RIGHT.

This is A WAR, DAMMIT!!


10 posted on 11/15/2015 10:05:28 AM PST by Flintlock (Our soapbox is gone, the ballot box stolen--we're left with the bullet box now.)
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To: Redbob

Well said my FRiend.
To quote General Stonewall Jackson; “KILL’EM, KILL’EM ALL”.


11 posted on 11/15/2015 10:12:20 AM PST by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: Redbob

I don’t think there is a Bulwer-Lytton prize for non-fiction but if there is, this piece would take top honors.


12 posted on 11/15/2015 10:15:38 AM PST by pluvmantelo (I gotta get a tattoo at 12:30 and I don't want to be late.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

I disagree that these attacks were ‘brilliant’. Three simultaneous attacks against large groups of unarmed people did not require genius. One of the attackers still was carrying his passport, making his identification and backtracking to his support much quicker. Removing manufacturers tags from their clothing, obscuring serial numbers on their weapons and carrying no identification would have been more professional. True, they want ultimate credit for the organization, but wiping their tracks from their sources would make their methods and means less discernible.


13 posted on 11/15/2015 10:18:53 AM PST by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: MNJohnnie

Oil


14 posted on 11/15/2015 10:31:55 AM PST by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

The Saudis are the hub of the whole ISIS/alQueda problem.

It is their doing. It is their Government policy - has been for decades.

Politicians have been compromised, and cover for them. They either take their bribes, or are afraid to take them on, because the Saudis can fund attacks to pick off any individual opponents (politically, or physically).

Seize their assets, impose sanctions, uproot their networks of influence in the West, arm their domestic opponents, and impose a pro-Western strongman to purge their society of Islamists and censor the Hanbali/Wahabbi/Salafi/Takfiri brainwashing program.


15 posted on 11/15/2015 10:49:08 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Only one way to defeat ISIS: raise taxes and more hashtags.


16 posted on 11/15/2015 10:50:09 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Allow me to quote Donald Trump.

(Welcome to Paris, 11/15/15)

“I’m going to Bomb the Shit out of them”.


17 posted on 11/15/2015 10:54:30 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Republicans hold Debates while Democrats hold Auctions.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Complete and utter annihilation. Kill them twice if you have to.


18 posted on 11/15/2015 10:56:50 AM PST by Old Yeller (Obama's Iran nuclear deal - The Devil is in the details.)
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To: Eric Pode of Croydon

Islam is an idea that can only be defeated with a better idea. My better idea includes the possibility of nuclear events to occur at certain strategic places in the Moslem world and massive expulsions of Moslems from civilized countries. Got any better ideas to defeat the idea of Islam?


19 posted on 11/15/2015 11:04:28 AM PST by arthurus (Het is waar. Tutti i liberali sono feccia.)
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To: qaz123
You omitted step four: nuke them from orbit, that is the only way to be sure!
20 posted on 11/15/2015 11:08:21 AM PST by buckalfa (I am feeling much better now.)
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