Bachmann: Convert As Many Jews As Possible Because Christ Is 'Coming Soon'

Right Wing Watch ^ | 11/6/2015 | Miranda Blue

[SJackson]

Family Research Council president Tony Perkins has been broadcasting his “Washington Watch” radio program from Israel this week, where he is helping to lead an FRC tour group. Also on the tour is former Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota, who joined Perkins on the program on Wednesday to share her view that biblical prophecy is being fulfilled all around her and that it was more urgent than ever to convert as many people as possible — including Jews — to Christianity to prepare for the imminent return of Christ.

“Almost every article in the paper” has to do with conflicts in Israel, Bachmann said, “and it ties with so much biblical prophecy. This week really was about biblical prophecy in many ways. And we’re seeing as events are speeding up, events are speeding up so quickly right now, and we see how relevant the Bible is, and we’re reading our newspaper, at the same time we’re learning about these biblical events, and it’s literally day by day by day, we’re seeing the fulfillment of scripture right in front of our eyes, even while we’re on the ground.”

“We recognize the shortness of the hour,” she said, “and that’s why we as a remnant want to be faithful in these days and do what it is that the Holy Spirit is speaking to each one of us, to be faithful in the Kingdom and to help bring in as many as we can — even among the Jews — share Jesus Christ with everyone that we possibly can because, again, He’s coming soon.”

[Read Write Repeat]

Who is the prophecy directed to? The people of the Messiah. Our sins are forgiven us, while yours, not so much.

Yom Kippur. Every year.

[Read Write Repeat]

In my life, I encountered many people with zero curiosity for knowing HaShem. I cannot condemn them anymore. All they do is look around and see the sickness, and they don’t desire the ultimate cure.

On the other hand, every day another “evangelical Christian” or “Jehovah’s Witness” or “Roman Catholic” converses with another who upholds Torah. They try their hardest by quoting things out of context from books they don’t understand. And when the Jew rebukes and explains, a spark may light in that desperate mind. Since man made religion is extremely fragile and requires an extraordinary competency for mental gymnastics, once in awhile one of them abandons their loosely weaved fragments.

So in retrospect, maybe calls for “converting the Jews” may backfire and produce quite an education. ;)

[Phinneous]

That’s a lot of projecting. I would project in kind though.

One of your earliest prophecies unfulfilled (”.. In your lifetimes... “) you adopt the Christian faith in the one who absorbed all the burden and wiped your hands of that very one’s Law (The written and oral Torahs) and live out millenium in a “comfortable “ state.

Nothing of our scripture (back to our opinion) is broken, rather yet-to-be-fulfilled and we await his imminent coming-with intense yearning. (There is a Song {of Songs} which describes that desire.)

Which wait is more real?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

One of your earliest prophecies unfulfilled (”.. In your lifetimes... “)

What was that prophecy?

Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

From Dr. John Gill:

"...which prediction had a full and remarkable accomplishment; and which is not only attested by Josephus (y), who relates, that both the city and temple were dug up, and laid level with the ground; but also by other Jewish writers; who tell us (z) that

"on the ninth of Ab, a day prepared for punishments, Turnus Rufus the wicked, "ploughed up the temple", and all round about it, to fulfil what is said, "Zion shall be ploughed as a field".

(y) De Bello Jud. l. 7. c. 7. (z) Maimon. Hilch. Taaniot, c. 5. sect. 3. T. Bab. Taanith, fol. 23. 1. & Gloss. in ib.

Even the talk of the sun darkening, and the moon becoming blood, have had their fulfillment, though not in their literal sense:

"not in a literal but in a figurative sense; and is to be understood not of the religion of the Jewish church; nor of the knowledge of the law among them, and the decrease of it; nor of the Gospel being obscured by heretics and false teachers; nor of the temple of Jerusalem, senses which are given into by one or another; but of the Shekinah, or the divine presence in the temple. The glory of God, who is a sun and a shield, filled the tabernacle, when it was reared up; and so it did the temple, when it was built and dedicated; in the most holy place, Jehovah took up his residence; here was the symbol of his presence, the mercy seat, and the two cherubim over it: and though God had for some time departed from this people, and a voice was heard in the temple before its destruction, saying, "let us go hence"; yet the token of the divine presence remained till the utter destruction of it; and then this sun was wholly darkened, and there was not so much as the outward symbol of it:

and the moon shall not give her light; which also is to be explained in a figurative and metaphorical sense; and refers not to the Roman empire, which quickly began to diminish; nor to the city of Jerusalem; nor to the civil polity of the nation; but to the ceremonial law, the moon, the church is said to have under her feet, Rev_12:1 so called because the observance of new moons was one part of it, and the Jewish festivals were regulated by the moon; and especially, because like the moon, it was variable and changeable. Now, though this, in right, was abolished at the death of Christ, and ceased to give any true light, when he, the substance, was come; yet was kept up by the Jews, as long as their temple was standing; but when that was destroyed, the daily sacrifice, in fact, ceased, and so it has ever since; the Jews esteeming it unlawful to offer sacrifice in a strange land, or upon any other altar than that of Jerusalem; and are to this day without a sacrifice, and without an ephod:"

This has generally been the consensus view of the church for the past 2000 years. Nothing of our scripture (back to our opinion) is broken

Your tribal affiliations no longer exist. All records have been destroyed. No way to verify anything. The scepter of Judah and its tribal distinctiveness has long since departed. The second temple has long been destroyed. And the Messiah, which was to come before these events, came in the form of Jesus Christ.

There is nothing left for Jews to wait for.

[Ezekiel]

I think the take away from the NT references is that while they knew Jesus was a local kid born and raised (as opposed to a mysterious stranger appearing out of nowhere), people debated about who he was. IOW, they debated over which prophet he - his neshama/soul - was. The gilgul of John, Elijah, Jeremiah, or some other?

Within that framework, John was the gilgul of Elijahu.

[Phinneous]

Pardon me, I was thinking of this (as opposed to your pull-quote) :

“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)

Which ones did not taste death?

You research so much— a plethora of Jewish writings online. (was that Christianity.com or BibleHub?)

It doesn’t change the fact that we have polar opposite beliefs. Everything you wrote is a Christian viewpoint on Judaism— it means nothing to Jews. Jews await the Messiah and the rebuilt, eternal third temple (regarding which you have adjunct scripture and teachings which interpret otherwise.)

“Your tribal affiliations no longer exist. All records have been destroyed. No way to verify anything. The scepter of Judah and its tribal distinctiveness has long since departed.”

Utter malarkey. In my very congregation there is a Jew who can trace his lineage to King David in an unbroken paternal line.

http://www.davidicdynasty.org/

It is a fantasy (or a wish of Christendom?) to think that that knowledge would fade. There are at least 400 such men in the US. The scepter will be in the hands of the shoot that will spring up from the stump (of Jesse....the seemingly cut-down bloodline.)

So where were we... waiting. (Funny, it was Michelle Bachmann’s quote, “Christ is coming soon!” in the OP.) I don’t even doubt your content in your waiting. I certainly have no doubts in the Jewish assertion that his coming is imminent. We are working towards it and you are faithing towards it.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Which ones did not taste death?

Anyone who managed to live until the Jewish war, and to whom the warnings were meant to benefit: "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." (Luk 21:20-24)

It's quite clear that this is a stunning prediction of the impending war against Israel, and, indeed, the Gentiles are trodding down Jerusalem even to this day, with your "holy of holies" under the control of Muslims who never cease exploding in your cities.

Utter malarkey. In my very congregation there is a Jew who can trace his lineage to King David in an unbroken paternal line.

They can't prove it, since all such records were long destroyed, and the majority of Jews do not know from what tribe they come from either. Aside from a few magical people claiming to be able to trace their lineage, the tribal distinctions have long disappeared.

It doesn’t change the fact that we have polar opposite beliefs.

Yes, but your opposite beliefs are inspired by idiot Rabbis who think eating mud from around the toilet will cure diseases. Let the reader have their illusions broken about the superiority of Jewish interpreters with that fact alone.

[EinNYC]

And the Messiah, which was to come before these events, came in the form of Jesus Christ. There is nothing left for Jews to wait for.

Have you ever considered a career writing science fiction? Because if this is not science fiction that you're posting, I have another less charitable term for it.

There is no room in Judaism for J.C. He is not our messiah. He means nothing to us, nothing at all. You blaspheme OUR messiah, who is yet to come, by claiming J.C. is the messiah. And we do not recognize "Dr. John Gill" as any sort of religious authority about Judaism. He might spin a good tale about non-Jewish stuff--or not--but he certainly is not speaking with any grounding in the truth regarding Judaism.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

There is no room in Judaism for J.C. He is not our messiah

But there was plenty room for Rabbi Schneerson (one of the more recent false Jewish Messiahs), despite him not being born of a virgin in Bethlehem of the lineage of David (Micah 5:2, Isiah 7:14), before the destruction of the Jewish temple (Daniel 9), having his hands and feet pierced, given viniger, having his vestments be divided (Psalm 22), dying for the sins of His people and defeating death through resurrection (Isaiah 53). Schneerson's followers even prayed around his grave waiting for him to rise again from death, but, of course, his bones are still rotting in that grave, aren't they?

[Phinneous]

You have your interpretations and you have your peaceful wait. Well, your wait.

[aces]

I appreciate your faith, But what if G_d wants to convert you? Just a thought..peace and shalom

[MayflowerMadam]

Not big news. Since New Testament days Christians were expecting Christ to return imminently. That is what Christians do.

[Ancesthntr]

I appreciate your faith, But what if G_d wants to convert you? Just a thought..peace and shalom

If G-d wants something, I'm pretty sure that He'll get it. He doesn't need human helpers to do that - He can put an idea into my mind and it'll just happen. Of course, His written and oral Torah tell me NOT to convert, and since I am not one of those folks who claim that the Almighty has decided to speak directly to me, that's all that I have to rely on and follow...so I will try to do so as best as I can.

I would point out that the kind of logic used in your statement above is really no different (though the results clearly are) from that of the Moslems who say, "Allah wants infidels dead, so its my job to do it." That is the logical conclusion of someone who says, "G-d wants/commands me to do X." NO, OF COURSE that is NOT what you or anyone on this thread would do, I know that - but the logic is the same. Thankfully, I am quite sure that you and everyone else here (whether I agree with them or not on this subject or any other) is decent and moral, and has a point beyond which they won't go (and that point is well short of what the Moslems often do to us infidels).

Peace to you, as well - plus good health and happiness for you and your family.

[aces]

I disagree about the source of logic..yes I also believe G_d will reveal truth to those that seek..Christianity evangelical actions cannot be related to Islam without one having skewed vision...Christianity is about love and peace as is your faith, certainly without Israel there would be no Christianity.

Thanks and nice conversing with you..Holy is His name and beautiful are His ways..shalom..

[aces]

I disagree about the source of logic..yes I also believe G_d will reveal truth to those that seek..Christianity evangelical actions cannot be related to Islam without one having skewed vision...Christianity is about love and peace as is your faith, certainly without Israel there would be no Christianity.

Thanks and nice conversing with you..Holy is His name and beautiful are His ways..shalom..

[EinNYC]

Where do you find all this fake information and assorted bizarro crap? And why do you waste bandwidth posting it? It just makes any and all of your so-called “arguments” all the more pathetic. And what’s with the vinegar? They be havin’ fish and chips now?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Where do you find all this fake information

Are you stupid or just uninformed? I am not sure.

[Mrs. Don-o]

It argues strongly against reincarnation that when John himself was asked, "What then? Are you Elijah?" he said, "I am not." [John 1:21].

Jesus' meaning is that John came with the mission and message of Elijah-- not that he literally "was" Elijah.

Hebrews (9:27) clarifies this when it says, "It is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment."

Whether there was specultion about reincarnation among the Jews of Jesus' time, I cannot say; perhaps there was. But neither Jesus, nor the writers of the Epistles, nor any of the Fathers of the Church taught reincarnation. This would contradict the reality of the Particular Judgment.

[EinNYC]

Are you stupid or just uninformed? I am not sure.

Taking the easy way out, are we? I am neither uninformed nor stupid. You are finding extremely sketchy, way out there pieces of "information" and posting them as if they were mainstream truth. You do not know what you are talking about. You are just cutting and pasting, and flinging the occasional nasty remark as a poor substitute for really know anything about Judaism. You are in love with some idiotic misquote out of context ditty about loving dung, or rocks, or some such. I am quite sure I know NO observant Jew who ever heard of anything like that. Take your misquoted, out of context, in all likelihood not true garbage and haul off.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Taking the easy way out, are we?

Is this what you are disputing?:

"It is hard to know how many Lubavitchers actually believe that their dead rebbe is really the Messiah. But the number is significant. It includes a few of the more important rabbis in the Lubavitch movement in North America, and a higher percentage of Lubavitch leaders in Israel.

A few years after the rebbe’s death, a letter containing a psak halakhah [religious ruling] appeared as a paid advertisement in many Jewish newspapers. Signed by a large number of rabbis associated with the Lubavitch movement, the letter stated that according to halakhah [Jewish law], all Jews were required to profess the belief that the late Rabbi Schneersohn was actually the Messiah. The rebbe, it was claimed, was without doubt a prophet. The rebbe himself had confirmed (according to the letter) that he was the messiah. Since Halachah obligates Jews to believe the words of a prophet, every Jew was required to profess the belief that the rebbe was and still is the messiah."

http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/chabad-messianism/

"Nevertheless, many, if not most of the Habad activists, today publicly proclaim that Rabbi Schneerson will be resurrected as the Messiah. Actually there are several variations of thought: Some believe he will rise from the dead and they should publicly proclaim this message. Others believe it but feel they should keep this belief to themselves. There is still another group which believes he is Messiah and never really died. Then, it is said, there is a small group who believe that he was a great rabbi, but not Messiah, but who are unwilling to express their belief openly."

http://www.maozisrael.org/site/News2?abbr=nav_&id=5131 "Removing his shoes and stepping inside the rough marble tomb where Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson was laid to rest, Shimon Dadon took a scrap of paper from his pocket and scribbled something in Hebrew. "A prayer," said the Israeli school principal, "that he will return, soon."

Dadon then ripped the paper into tiny bits (so no mortal eye could see what he had written) and dropped them on the fresh grave. The pieces fell among hundreds of other scraps of paper - prayers for strength, prayers for wisdom, and prayers that Rabbi Schneerson, grand rebbe of the ultra-Orthodox Lubavitcher sect, would return and reveal himself as Moshiach, the messiah."

http://articles.philly.com/1994-06-28/news/25832625_1_lubavitchers-rabbi-schneerson-messianic-age

I am quite sure I know NO observant Jew who ever heard of anything like that.

Considering I've had plenty of debates with observant Jews who have defended such quotes, telling me that "Demons are real!", and appealing to my faith in Christianity to agree with them (since we believe in devils too), I would say that you either don't know any observant Jews or you're just lying.