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[ Vanity ] Trump needs Carson to split evangelical votes and block Cruz

Posted on 11/08/2015 1:15:04 AM PST by springwater13

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To: nathanbedford

So it sounds like one of four options on illegals:

1) Believe Trump: Get them out, make them come back legally.
2) Don’t Believe Trump: Amnesty, or at best ignoring them.
3) Believe Cruz: Do nothing, then legalize them in some way.
4) Don’t Believe Cruz: He’ll deport them, he’s just telling us now.

Sorry, I still choose Option 1 since I don’t think Cruz is lying to us.


181 posted on 11/08/2015 9:31:24 AM PST by BobL ( (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: jpsb

“If Cruz is the more conservative candidate on the most important issue of our times than why did he not raise the issue before Trump got in the race? Cruz knows being against amnesty is a winning issue with conservatives but he remained silent on that issue.”

It all comes down to money. The Republican donors were PERFECTLY CLEAR that they would not support ANY CANDIDATE that was serious about cutting the supply of cheap labor. NO WAY. Cruz really had no choice in the matter.


182 posted on 11/08/2015 9:37:36 AM PST by BobL ( (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: BobL
1) Believe Trump: Get them out, make them come back legally.

Trump wants to "expedite" the illegals back in legally. That's a legalization amnesty.

3) Believe Cruz: Do nothing, then legalize them in some way.

Cruz's last statement about amnesty that I know of was in 2014. He was against a legalization amnesty.

183 posted on 11/08/2015 9:43:49 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: springwater13

Corollary: Carson needs to be eliminated for Cruz to move up.


184 posted on 11/08/2015 9:44:31 AM PST by ez (Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is... - Milton)
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To: LS

Hmmmmm ..?? Don’t agree with that.

Trump/Cruz is the best pairing.

That would give us 16 years to get this country really righted in the RIGHT direction.


185 posted on 11/08/2015 9:48:55 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: SunkenCiv

I am an SDA. I won’t support Carson.

Please explain to me the fixation on the Seventh-Day Adventist aspect of Carson?

Name one other candidate whose religion is being scrutinized at all, let alone to this degree.

What the heck is up with this?

The SDA Church does not propose that the pyramids were built to house grain. That is one of the most absurd ideas I’ve ever heard. This is the first time I’ve every heard of it. I’m 64 years old.


186 posted on 11/08/2015 9:54:17 AM PST by DoughtyOne (It's beginning to look like "Morning in America" again. (Comment on YouTube under Trump Free Ride.))
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To: FreeReign

“Cruz’s last statement about amnesty that I know of was in 2014. He was against a legalization amnesty.”

...so Cruz lets them stay and have babies and await a more-friendly administration to finally legalize them.

“Trump wants to “expedite” the illegals back in legally. That’s a legalization amnesty.”

Trump sends them home, and brings them back ON HIS TERMS.

Sorry, Trump still wins.


187 posted on 11/08/2015 9:57:01 AM PST by BobL ( (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: ncalburt

Cruz never supported TPP and you know it. TPA and TPP are not the same thing. Stop spreading lies.


188 posted on 11/08/2015 10:20:57 AM PST by dschapin
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To: BobL
1) cannot believe Trump because the proposition is logistically, morally, politically and financially unbelievable for reasons expressed in previous reply.

2) Trump fully intends to grant amnesty.

3) Cruz will deny voting rights.

4) Cruz will not deport them, but neither will Trump So vote for the better man, the better conservative, actually, the only conservative between the two of them: Cruz.


189 posted on 11/08/2015 10:22:41 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: FreeReign

Doesn’t sound like he’s expediting anyone although he has said the system needs to be fixed so people applying to immigrate don’t have to wait years to get here if they are qualified.

“The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans-including immigrants themselves and their children-to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream. “


190 posted on 11/08/2015 10:29:10 AM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: The Final Harvest

Except we need Cruz at AG not in a do-nothing veep spot.


191 posted on 11/08/2015 11:23:12 AM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

Well, I have considered that .. but I can’t see Carson as VP; because I seriously doubt he could be elected Pres; especially after 8 years of Trump.

I want Cruz as VP, because Trump needs to have a person who can deal with the in’s and out’s of Constitutional Law, as it pertains to any legislation Trump will need in order to get his stuff done. This could be crucial.

I just don’t see Carson being of any help there. And, even if Cruz is head of the DOJ, with all the mess they have going, Cruz would possibly be too busy to be of any help to Trump.

So, It’s difficult to measure .. because while it’s assumed the VP spot is just a do-nothing place-holder; in Trump’s case I don’t see it that way. Cruz will be the authority regarding whether certain laws are abolished while others are kept. Cruz will also be crucial to writing new law so that when the DemocRATS try to take it to the Supreme Court, it will be able to stand muster.

That’s my best argument.


192 posted on 11/08/2015 11:42:26 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: nathanbedford

“2) Trump fully intends to grant amnesty.”

And, no doubt, you have a link to him stating that...


193 posted on 11/08/2015 12:00:13 PM PST by BobL ( (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: BobL

He said so himself he will let them back in


194 posted on 11/08/2015 12:02:30 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

“He said so himself he will let them back in”

...and how is forcing people to come here LEGALLY Amnesty?


195 posted on 11/08/2015 12:23:42 PM PST by BobL ( (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Keep up the attacks on Carson’s faith and Trump won’t have those who support Carson votes.
Keep up the childish namecalling on Carson and hitlery will be the next president.


196 posted on 11/08/2015 12:43:46 PM PST by RginTN
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To: Lumper20

Carson was in the ROTC. Think this means he’s not some pacifist.


197 posted on 11/08/2015 12:46:05 PM PST by RginTN
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To: demshateGod

And atheists consider Christianity a cult.


198 posted on 11/08/2015 12:47:16 PM PST by RginTN
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To: RginTN

I have never attacked Carson’s faith. There is simply too much else to criticize him on. He has kooky ideas about things and he says kooky things. Not my fault. Also not my fault that Carson has poor ideas on every issue.

1. Wants to let every illegal stay and give them all citizenship.
2. Isn’t sure what type of weapons are appropriate for the average American to be allowed to own.
3. Wants to get rid of Medicare and give seniors $2,000 toward what would be about a $10,000 to $20,000 annual premium. This would bankrupt your Mom and mine in a year.
4. Wants to make bankrupt Puerto Rico a state.

Carson is a disaster on many levels. His religion is the least of it. He would be a clueless and inept President.


199 posted on 11/08/2015 1:03:00 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: grania

I am not a Carson supporter. I believe it is disgusting that the mediots are trying to impugn a great man. His accomplishments speak for themselves.

Now whether he’d be a great president is another matter. Is a gifted surgeon the man to run a government? Off hand, I would say probably not. But that does not lessen my respect for him as a man.

For the record I am a Trump/Cruz supporter. Both of them equally.


200 posted on 11/08/2015 1:18:13 PM PST by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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