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Legendary US Army Commander Says Russia Would "Annihilate" US In Head-To-Head Battle
Zero Hedge ^ | 7 Nov 2015 | Tyler

Posted on 11/07/2015 5:24:40 PM PST by amorphous

Late in September, we brought you "US Readies Battle Plans For Baltic War With Russia" in which we described a series of thought experiments undertaken by The Pentagon in an effort to determine what the likely outcome would be should something go horribly "wrong" on the way to landing the US in a shooting war with Russia in the Balkans.

The results of those thought experiments were not encouraging.

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: agitprop; astroturf; baltics; china; coldwar2; europeanunion; france; germany; nato; nope; paidrussiantrolls; pentagon; polandcouldbeatthem; putinsbuttboys; readiness; russia; russianspam; russianstooge; russiawouldlose; sovietunion; tylerdurden; tylerdurdenmyass; unitedkingdom; vladtheimploder; war; zerohedge
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For those villagers eagerly snapping pictures on the side of a road in the Czech Republic in late September, the appearance of the line of U.S. "Stryker" armored fighting vehicles must have seemed more like a parade than a large-scale military operation. The movement of some 500-plus soldiers of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment from Vilsack in Bavaria to a Hungarian military base was intended to strengthen U.S. ties with the Czech, Slovak and Hungarian militaries and put Russia's Vladimir Putin on notice.

But not everyone is convinced. "This Stryker parade won’t fool anyone in Moscow," says retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor. "The Russians don't do many things well, but they have been subverting, destabilizing, invading and conquering their neighbors since Peter the Great. And what's our response: a small unit of light armored trucks."

Viewed by many of his colleagues as one of the most innovative Army officers of his generation, Macgregor, a West Point graduate with a Ph.D. in international relations ("he can be pretty gruff," a fellow West Point graduate says, "but he’s brilliant"), led the 2nd Cav's “Cougar Squadron” in the best-known battle of Operation Desert Storm in February 1991. In 23 minutes, Macgregor's force destroyed an entire Iraqi Armored Brigade (including nearly 70 Iraqi armored vehicles), while suffering a single American casualty. Speaking at a military "lessons learned" conference one year later, Air Force General Jack Welsh described the Battle of 73 Easting (named for a map coordinate) as "a stunning, overwhelming victory."

In the wake of the battle, however, Macgregor calculated that if his unit had fought a highly trained and better armed enemy, like the Russians, the outcome would have been different.

In early September he circulated a PowerPoint presentation showing that in a head-to-head confrontation pitting the equivalent of a U.S. armored division against a likely Russian adversary, the U.S. division would be defeated.

"Defeated isn't the right word," Macgregor told me last week. "The right word is annihilated." The 21-slide presentation features four battle scenarios, all of them against a Russian adversary in the Baltics - what one currently serving war planner on the Joint Chiefs staff calls "the most likely warfighting scenario we will face outside of the Middle East."

"Macgregor scares the hell out of the Army," says a senior Joint Chiefs war planner. "What he has proposed is nothing less than the dismantling of the Big Green Machine, getting the Army to embrace a future of lighter, more agile forces than the big lumbering behemoth which takes forever to spool up and deploy. I'll bet the armor and airborne guys are furious. Reform my ass: Macgregor has walked into the zoo and slapped the gorilla."

1 posted on 11/07/2015 5:24:40 PM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous

Undocumented Moslem (Democrat, al Qaeda):
"My work here is now done."

2 posted on 11/07/2015 5:26:11 PM PST by Diogenesis ("When a crime is unpunished, the world is unbalanced.")
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To: amorphous

Under our current CIC we could not defeat Italy, for Pete’s sake.

Lighter and more agile makes sense though.


3 posted on 11/07/2015 5:28:03 PM PST by Calpublican (Republican Party Now Stands for Nothing!!!!!(Except Conniving))
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To: amorphous

Where? We go there or they come here? They come here I doubt it very much even if the Child-In-Chief told Americans to stand down.


4 posted on 11/07/2015 5:28:17 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: amorphous

If he really wanted to smash America right before leaving office, starting a needless war with Russia would be really innovative.


5 posted on 11/07/2015 5:28:53 PM PST by gaijin
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To: SkyDancer

Where? We go there or they come here?


Good point.

Unless POS Obama drops in our two Airborne Divisions a few weeks before he leaves. I wouldn’t put something like that past him.


6 posted on 11/07/2015 5:35:56 PM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased miHe's just not a good presidential candnds.)
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To: SkyDancer
The Baltic
7 posted on 11/07/2015 5:41:19 PM PST by amorphous
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To: amorphous

Only the gays and women. The rest can go head to head.


8 posted on 11/07/2015 5:48:51 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: amorphous

I totally agree. It will asymmetrical. They will attack the economy. They will disrupt the internet. they will attack satellites. They will use EMPs, then conventional nukes.Yellowstone will be the target. The entire continent and 99% of its inhabitants will be destroyed within 96 hours. Then on to Israel.


9 posted on 11/07/2015 5:49:30 PM PST by Captainpaintball (Immigration without assimilation is the death of a nation -- FUJB!!!)
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To: amorphous

ROE alone would do it.


10 posted on 11/07/2015 5:49:58 PM PST by Paladin2 (my non-desktop devices are no longer allowed to try to fix speling and punctuation, nor my gran-mah.)
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To: amorphous

Our current “Commander” in Chief has decimated the command, control, and logistics of the military to the point that we have less than the capability we had when we entered WWI. The brave men and women of the military are doing the absolute best they can under the abhorrent circumstances. God bless them.

This is a major part of his fundamental transformation of the USA.


11 posted on 11/07/2015 5:51:47 PM PST by Sasparilla
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Okay, I’ll bite, why Yellowstone?


12 posted on 11/07/2015 5:59:47 PM PST by Ghost of SVR4 (So many are so hopelessly dependent on the government that they will fight to protect it.)
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To: gaijin
Obama hasn't missed a single opportunity to screw things up for America when he can. So I think he must harbor some deep seated, secret hatred for the USA; probably since childhood. I'm sure there is a psychopathic nomenclature which I'm someone knowledgeable in the art might would assign.

There is also the strong possibility Obama is an agent for one or more of America's advisories. This and the above lead me to believe Obama, and those behind him, will do as much damage to this country as possible in the time they have remaining.

13 posted on 11/07/2015 6:01:46 PM PST by amorphous
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“Yellowstone will be the target.”

You,,,,, must be joking.


14 posted on 11/07/2015 6:02:27 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Captainpaintball

Don’t drink the bong water...


15 posted on 11/07/2015 6:05:11 PM PST by EEGator
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To: amorphous

Russia is about aggression and firepower. The US is about rules, obedience, and precision. Russia would win.


16 posted on 11/07/2015 6:06:48 PM PST by CodeToad (Stupid kills, but not nearly enough!)
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To: amorphous

Your Commie has no regard for human life, not even his own. And for this reason, men, I want to impress upon you the need for extreme watchfulness. The enemy may come individually, or he may come in strength. He may even come in the uniform of our own troops. But however he comes, we must stop him. We must not allow him to gain entrance to this base. Now, I’m going to give you THREE SIMPLE rules: First, trust NO one, whatever his uniform or rank, unless he is known to you personally; Second, anyone or anything that approaches within 200 yards of the perimeter is to be FIRED UPON; Third, if in doubt, shoot first then ask questions afterward. I would sooner accept a few casualties through accidents rather losing the entire base and its personnel through carelessness. Any variation of these rules must come from me personally. Any variation on these rules must come from me personally. Now, men, in conclusion, I would like to say that, in the two years it has been my privilege to be your commanding officer, I have always expected the best from you, and you have never given me anything less than that. Today, the nation is counting on us. We’re not going to let them down. Good luck to you all.


17 posted on 11/07/2015 6:08:12 PM PST by Autonomous User (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Captainpaintball
Yellowstone will be the target.

That's a very strong possibility during a nuclear exchange, and one some of Russia's military hierarchy have talked about.

Also this from a recent FR thread: Supervolcanoes likely triggered externally

18 posted on 11/07/2015 6:09:21 PM PST by amorphous
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To: Autonomous User

19 posted on 11/07/2015 6:10:52 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Captainpaintball
Russian analyst urges nuclear attack on Yellowstone National Park and San Andreas fault line
20 posted on 11/07/2015 6:14:11 PM PST by amorphous
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