‘Pro-Israel’ J Street says Jews not indigenous to Israel

INN ^ | 10/25/2015, 3:53 PM | Ari Soffer

[Olog-hai]

This is the word’s definition. The first reference is 1 Kings 10:15.

There is another word “Arab” in Joshua 15:52, which has a different meaning, i.e. to ambush; it was the name of a Canaanite locale.

[af_vet_1981]

In Hebrew the vowels are different for "mixed." It is a different word.

In Hebrew the words ʿarav and ʿaravah literally mean "desert" or "steppe". In the Hebrew Bible the latter feminine form is used exclusively for the Arabah, a region associated with the Nabateans, who spoke Arabic. The former masculine form is used in Isaiah 21:13 and Ezekiel 27:21 for the region of the settlement of Kedar in the Syrian Desert. 2 Chronicles 9:14 contrasts “kings of ʿarav " with “governors of the country” when listing those who brought tribute to King Solomon. The word is typically translated Arabia and is the name for Arabia in Modern Hebrew. The New Revised Standard Version of the Bible uses instead the literal translation “desert plain” for the verse in Isaiah. The adjectival noun ʿaravi formed from ʿarav is used in Isaiah 13:20 and Jeremiah 3:2 for a desert dweller. It is typically translated Arabian or Arab and is the modern Hebrew word for Arab. The New Revised Standard Version uses the translation "nomad" for the verse in Jeremiah.

In the Bible, the word ʿarav is closely associated with the word ʿerev meaning a "mix of people" which has identical spelling in unvowelled text. Jeremiah 25:24 parallels "kings of ʿarav " with "kings of the ʿerev that dwell in the wilderness". The account in 1 Kings 10:15 matching 2 Chronicles 9:14 is traditionally vowellized to read "kings of the ʿerev ". The people in question are understood to be the early Nabateans who do indeed appear to have been a mix of different tribes. The medieval writer Ibn an-Nadim, in Kitab al-Fihrist, derived the word "Arab" from a Syriac pun by Abraham on the same root: in his account, Abraham addresses Ishmael and tells him uʿrub, from Syriac ʿrob, "mingle".

[af_vet_1981]

Do you read Hebrew ? If so, you see the vowels are different.

Mamre Hebrew English Bible

arab יג מַשָּׂא, בַּעְרָב: בַּיַּעַר בַּעְרַב תָּלִינוּ, אֹרְחוֹת דְּדָנִים.
13 The burden upon Arabia. In the thickets in Arabia shall ye lodge, O ye caravans of Dedanites.

erev לְבַד מֵאַנְשֵׁי הַתָּרִים, וּמִסְחַר הָרֹכְלִים, וְכָל-מַלְכֵי הָעֶרֶב, וּפַחוֹת הָאָרֶץ.

15 beside that which came of the merchants, and of the traffic of the traders, and of all the kings of the mingled people and of the governors of the country.

[af_vet_1981]

Isaiah Chapter 21 יְשַׁעְיָהוּ

1 Kings Chapter 10 מְ

[Olog-hai]

The reference I was using is the Strong’s Dictionary.

There are no vowels in Hebrew. Transliteration into the Western Greek (Latin) Alphabet doesn’t change the word’s meaning.

[af_vet_1981]

There are no vowels in Hebrew.

While the letters are consonants or guttural stops, there are vowel sounds in Hebrew, denoted by markings called niqqud. If you don't know the vowels you cannot correctly understand Hebrew, nor be properly understood.

Transliteration into the Western Greek (Latin) Alphabet doesn’t change the word’s meaning.

If you could read Hebrew, with the niqqud, or from rigorous training and memorization, you would know the vowel markings and could correctly understand the difference in similarly appearing consonants in the Hebrew Bible, which are actually different words. Without that skill, you cannot read the Bible correctly in Hebrew. You would likely use a translation based on a Western Greek/Latin souce .

[fieldmarshaldj]

Absurd and offensive comment. Given that J Street wants, demands, the destruction of the Israeli state, anyone who would excuse, apologize for or rationalize their position are the ones who do not support or stand with Israel.

Do you support J Street or do you support Israel ? You cannot do both.

[fieldmarshaldj]

More offensive blather. You remind me of militant homosexuals who when accused (rightly) of being degenerates respond by accusing them of being closet homosexuals.

[fieldmarshaldj]

I just remembered, you’re the lunatic who went around here attacking people for not voting for the Socialist RINO for President, Willard. I’m not surprised you suffer from a liberal amount of cognitive dissonance when it comes to right and wrong and your defense of the anti-Zionist leftist J Street gang and their apologists.

[fieldmarshaldj]

Meant to ping you to #68.

[fieldmarshaldj]

...make that #69.

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