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The Poor in the US Are Richer than the Middle Class in Much of Europe
Mises Wire ^ | October 16, 2015 | Ryan McMaken

Posted on 10/18/2015 2:44:21 PM PDT by expat_panama

In this week's debate, Bernie Sanders claimed that the United States has the highest rate of childhood poverty. CBS reports that Sanders said: "We should not be the country that has the highest rate of childhood poverty of any major country and more wealth and income inequality than any other country,"

As even CBS notes, according to UNICEF, which is probably the source of Sanders's factoid, the US has lower childhood poverty rates than Greece, Spain, Mexico, Latvia, and Israel, all of which are OECD countries or regarded as peer countries. The US rate (32.2 percent) is also more or less equal to the rate in Turkey, Romania, Lithuania, and Iceland. See page 8 of this report.

So, while Sanders probably doesn't even know what he means by "major country" it's clear that the US is not an outlier among OECD-type countries, even by UNICEF's own analysis.

We get much more insight, though, once we have a look at what UNICEF means by "poverty rate." In this case, UNICEF (and many other organizations) measure the poverty rate as a percentage of the national median household income. UNICEF uses 60% of median as the cut off. So, if you're in Portugal, and your household earns under 60% of the median income in Portugal, you are poor. If you are in the US and you earn under 60% of the US median income, then you are also poor.
The problem here, of course, is that median household incomes — and what they can buy — differs greatly between the US and Portugal. In relation to the cost of living, the median income in the US is much higher than the median income in much of Europe. So, even someone who earns under 60% of the median income in the US will, in many cases, have higher income than someone who earns the median income in, say, Portugal.

Here are all the median incomes (according to the OECD's household income comparison statistic called "median disposable income.") When adjusted for purchasing power parity, the statistic allows us to make incomes comparable across countries that use different currencies and have different costs of living. This takes into account taxes, and social benefits paid to households. So, let's use it to compare (the Y axis is in "international dollars"):

We see immediately that income is higher for US households than most of the other countries. What about that high poverty rate, though? Well, we find that the poverty level in the US is still higher than numerous countries' median income level:

The green bar is the US income at poverty levels. So, this tells us that a person at 60% of median  income in the US still has a larger income than the median household in Chile, Czech Rep., Greece, Hungary, Portugal, and several others. And the poverty income in the US is very close to matching the median income in Italy, Japan, Spain, and the UK.

Keep in mind that we're using median income here, and not GDP per capita, which means this isn't being skewed up by a small number of mega-wealthy households. So while the US may have a rather high poverty rate, we find that being poor in the US is similar to (at least in terms of income) being a median household in many other countries, including the UK and Japan.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas; US: Florida; US: New York; US: Vermont
KEYWORDS: 2016election; arkansas; berniesanders; economy; election2016; fairtax; flattax; hillaryclinton; hitlery; incometax; incometaxes; newyork; poverty; trump; vermont
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This article provides more 'fact-checking' for the Dem debates and is for anyone who's not upset yet...
1 posted on 10/18/2015 2:44:22 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

To be poor in America is infinitely better than to be poor in Bangladesh. Or even France.


2 posted on 10/18/2015 2:48:08 PM PDT by alloysteel (Do not argue with trolls. That means they win.)
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To: expat_panama

Obamaphones and other stuff from his stash.


3 posted on 10/18/2015 2:50:13 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I've switched. Trump is my #1. He understands how to get things done. Cruz can be VP.)
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To: expat_panama

The true message of Socialism/Communism is an equality of misery. Pity we cannot ship those Americans who are so enamored of the Socialist societies to live in one for a few years.


4 posted on 10/18/2015 2:50:34 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.)
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To: expat_panama

I have been saying this for years. Our poor people, with flatscreen TVs, computers and cell phones, really should thank all the hard working Americans who pay the taxes that allow them to live like the Middle Class in European countries.


5 posted on 10/18/2015 2:52:51 PM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: expat_panama

We would not have near the poverty rate we do if politicians did not work so hard to destroy the family unit for votes.


6 posted on 10/18/2015 2:53:36 PM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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And CAPITALISM is the reason our country has done so well for so long. Hello Socialism? Everyone will be poorer.


7 posted on 10/18/2015 2:54:01 PM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: expat_panama

“The Poor” in the US are better off than most middle-class retirees in the US.


8 posted on 10/18/2015 2:54:21 PM PDT by grania
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To: Lera

It’s incredibly cynical to whine about poverty in the US, and the “gap” between rich and poor, while importing tens of millions of some of the poorest people on Earth.


9 posted on 10/18/2015 2:59:08 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: expat_panama

America - where poor people are obese


10 posted on 10/18/2015 3:03:10 PM PDT by Lexington Green (Hillary belongs in the Big House - not the White House)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

@ post 9 - right on the mark. Add in the automation of future tech in robotics/computers that will eliminate many low wage jobs and it becomes even more foolish to import unskilled laborers.


11 posted on 10/18/2015 3:13:23 PM PDT by volunbeer
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To: expat_panama

Never before have so many had so much and been less grateful.


12 posted on 10/18/2015 3:16:55 PM PDT by all the best
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To: originalbuckeye

Don’t forget $200 sneakers,designer clothes and official sports jackets.


13 posted on 10/18/2015 3:22:44 PM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: expat_panama

Can you buy a stable loving family with a committed mother and father? No.

Can you buy a safe neighborhood and good schools? Yes.

Should you have to? No.


14 posted on 10/18/2015 3:22:49 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: expat_panama
I've mentioned this before but it seems that most poverty in the world exists in tropical or sub-tropical areas.

Where a colder climate exists and where beer is consumed, the median incomes are much higher.

United States, Ireland, Luxembourg. Switzerland, Australia, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, Germany, Finland...all of these among the countries with the highest median incomes. All of them where beer is consumed in mass quantities and snow is had in winter.

Colder Climate + Cold Beer = Prosperity.


15 posted on 10/18/2015 3:28:15 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (A businessman gets things done with own money. A politician takes money and gets nothing done.)
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To: expat_panama

Our government has passed by the goal of elevating the so-called poor any further to attain equality.

The objective now is to punish anyone who is independent or prosperous, and drag them down.

That excludes the multi-millionaires and billionaires who own the republican and democrat parties.


16 posted on 10/18/2015 3:28:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro (The wise have stores of choice food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has. Proverbs 21:20)
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To: expat_panama

I like to watch those real-estate shows where Americans buy houses in Europe. I wouldn’t keep hogs in some of those “houses”. Toilet (if there is one) next to the stove? WTF?


17 posted on 10/18/2015 4:17:57 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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18 posted on 10/18/2015 4:21:07 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: expat_panama

I was doing missionary work in Nuevo Laredo back in the early 1990s. Those people were poor. I’m taking no shoes, no flushing toilet no air conditioning no tv poor


19 posted on 10/18/2015 4:46:55 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: expat_panama

I have lived in a rated as poor country for nearly three years. The standard income of the populace, at the time, was a total of $300.00 a year in American currency.

This country was a constitutional monarchy with a government modeled after the British ways of doing things.

This, was in a time when the U.S. government was hosted on national airbases and water ports and army posts all across the country, with many American servicemen (American female G.I.’s were not allowed to be assigned there, other than hospital personnel), spending their monies on the local economies.

I would rather live in this country, my home, my nation.

Bernie Sanders, foad!


20 posted on 10/18/2015 5:01:02 PM PDT by Terry L Smith
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