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Surprise! The Soviets Nearly Won Afghan War
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| December 26, 2004
| Mark Kramer
Posted on 10/06/2015 6:59:21 AM PDT by Trumpinator
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To: Dr. Sivana
So you’re in favor of the mujaheddin? You support them. Even though they’ve slaughtered Americans the world over?
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:43:11 AM PDT
by
csvset
( Illegitimi non carborundum)
To: duckln
Reagans' blunder. We should have butted out. Islamists were a bigger potential problem than The USSR.
Well, we cannot replay history, but the a whole lot of folks in Eastern Europe likely disagree with you.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:44:02 AM PDT
by
Dr. Sivana
(There is no salvation in politics)
To: Hostage
Syria does not have Afghanistan’s mountains
To: Dr. Sivana
“Much as we don’t have much use for Islam, Godless Marxism is more expansionist and at least as crushing to the human spirit.”
That is true, but also not terribly relevant today. The more aggressive and more soul crushing ideology today is this disgusting transnational, ill defined, feel good suffocation of all distinct nations and cultures. This is a Western perversion (as was Marxism) and it is one our nation is vigorously promoting along with the EU and the UN.
The principal threat to humanity today is this amorphous transnational bureaucracy. This recent Islamic spew is in furtherance of those transnational objectives, which every American president since 1989 has promoted over our national interests.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:45:51 AM PDT
by
Psalm 144
(Obamacons: The degenerate and venomous issue born of intimacies between Obama and neocons.)
To: Dr. Sivana
The same Europeons that are being flooded with mujaheddin now. They’ll be thankful that the US created , funded and nourished them. Not only back then, but now, as evidenced by Obunga’s actions and inactions.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:47:10 AM PDT
by
csvset
( Illegitimi non carborundum)
To: csvset
So youre in favor of the mujaheddin? You support them. Even though theyve slaughtered Americans the world over?
The 1980s version were defending their own homeland. They wernt slaughtering Americans. I also support the 2000+_ version of the Japanese even though the 1940s version slaughtered Americans.
The Soviets had no business slaughtering a tenth of their population, purposely maiming their children (bombs disguised as toys), etc.
We had no business playing nation building in Afghanistan in 2002. (It turns out that Bin Laden wasn't even there!). We could have blown some stuff up to make a point, and do our search for the criinal from a secured base without having to take over the whole joint.
9/11 could have happened even if Afghanistan had remained Communist.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:48:45 AM PDT
by
Dr. Sivana
(There is no salvation in politics)
To: csvset
Not only back then, but now, as evidenced by Obungas actions and inactions.,/i>
Reagan is not responsible for what happened in the Middle East under the policies of the Bushes, Clintons and Obamas, any more than Nixon is responsible for what happened in Red China under the Bushes, Clintons and Obamas.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:51:15 AM PDT
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Dr. Sivana
(There is no salvation in politics)
To: Trumpinator; All
Hey they came in second! That’s pretty good, right?
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:52:02 AM PDT
by
notdownwidems
(Washington DC has become the enemy of free people everywhere)
To: Trumpinator
One thing being in Afghanistan did, was to stop the Russians from invading Poland in 1980, when Jaruzelski begged the Soviets to intervene to stop Solidarity, the Soviets told them they could not do it because of their war in Afghanistan.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:52:15 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
To: dfwgator
That’s an interesting theory. I will read up on it. I have read or heard in lectures that the main effect of the Soviet failure in Afghanistan was that the feared Red Army was not so feared after that.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:54:20 AM PDT
by
Trumpinator
(You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
To: Trumpinator
Thanks, it looks like that old memory of 70,000 was killed or injured. Wiki shows all the people who got sick and the equipment they lost too.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:55:01 AM PDT
by
DungeonMaster
(God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son...)
To: Psalm 144
The principal threat to humanity today is this amorphous transnational bureaucracy. This recent Islamic spew is in furtherance of those transnational objectives, which every American president since 1989 has promoted over our national interests.
I don't disagree. That of course doesn't make Reagan's support of the Afghan resistance evil or imprudent.
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posted on
10/06/2015 7:56:40 AM PDT
by
Dr. Sivana
(There is no salvation in politics)
To: DungeonMaster
I think the native Afghans who fought on the Soviet side may make it to your figure. Maybe, the USSR figured they used up all their allies forces and would have to start using their own troops and that is when they retreated.
1,600 dead Soviet troops sounds like maybe half died from drunken accidents rather than fighting.
I know I read - but can't find source now - that most of the Soviet regular forces in Afghanistan were themselves from the 'Stans except for the special forces and officer corps and engineering battalions.
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10/06/2015 7:57:55 AM PDT
by
Trumpinator
(You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
To: Artemis Webb
Yes. And we got our ass kicked at Pearl Harbor. Does that mean the Japanese won WW2? You and I both know that's a faulty comparison, and you ignored the cause-and-effect value of my statement. The primary reason the Soviets were thrown back in Afghanistan is the military assistance the mujahedin received from the U.S. and other western countries. Does that help now?
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posted on
10/06/2015 8:02:25 AM PDT
by
ScottinVA
(If you're not enraged...why?)
To: Dr. Sivana
9/11 could have happened even if Afghanistan had remained Communist. Possibly, but Afghanistan would've been a far less hospitable training environment without the Taliban in power.
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posted on
10/06/2015 8:04:38 AM PDT
by
ScottinVA
(If you're not enraged...why?)
To: Trumpinator
They must have been getting ready to break out the horseshoes because the “almost” of the hand grenades just wasn’t cutting it.
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posted on
10/06/2015 8:06:04 AM PDT
by
gnarledmaw
(Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
To: Dr. Sivana
I don’t think Reagan’s support of the Afghan resistance was evil or imprudent either, based on what was going on then. It was part of the overall siege operation against the Soviet Union, which was the most important issue of the day, Reagan’s main objective and the principal reason I had the pleasure of voting for him twice. I only have one serious complaint against Reagan, and that is that he did not have a worthy successor lined up.
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posted on
10/06/2015 8:06:42 AM PDT
by
Psalm 144
(Obamacons: The degenerate and venomous issue born of intimacies between Obama and neocons.)
To: Trumpinator
I is 20/20 hindsight, but we should have let them win.
We helped the Mujahadeen, they won, the Soviets left. We let Trascanistan ferment for a couple of decades under them, and Voila! 9/11.
I can’t wait for the bill from Iraq and Syria to come due in 20-30 years.
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posted on
10/06/2015 8:06:48 AM PDT
by
Little Ray
(How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
To: Trumpinator
“I know I read - but can’t find source now - that most of the Soviet regular forces in Afghanistan were themselves from the ‘Stans except for the special forces and officer corps and engineering battalions.”
Interesting. I did not know that. Did that have any bearing on subsequent events in Chechnya that you are aware of?
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posted on
10/06/2015 8:10:01 AM PDT
by
Psalm 144
(Obamacons: The degenerate and venomous issue born of intimacies between Obama and neocons.)
To: Trumpinator
Then there is the whole issue of trusting anything any Russian says. They have their own Bagdad Bob network that really know their business.
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posted on
10/06/2015 8:12:05 AM PDT
by
DungeonMaster
(God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son...)
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