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Ben Carson wants a national database of potential mass killers
americanthinker.com ^ | 10/6/2015 | M. Catharine Evans

Posted on 10/06/2015 6:32:08 AM PDT by rktman

In a conversation with Business Insider promoting his new book, presidential candidate Ben Carson suggested creating a national database to keep "dangerous individuals" from accessing guns. In the aftermath of the mass shooting in Roseburg, Oregon, Carson wants to stop unstable people from slipping through state systems which are under no federal mandate to share information.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol
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To: rktman
This is an extremely horrible idea. The people who would be labeling and recording names of those with "dangerous" symptoms would be social workers, school teachers, psychologists, nurses, doctors, etc. -- those occupations that are predominated by leftists; people who are mentally ill themselves, and most of those being downright evil.

Yet, these very same people publicly accuse others of being mentally ill based on such habits as pursuing productive occupations, paying their bills, and living like responsible adults.

No thanks, Dr. Carson.

61 posted on 10/06/2015 7:15:07 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: rktman

There are probably some psychological signs that, if recognized and addressed, could mitigate occasions where people have gone off the deep end with their firearm and have killed innocent people. I suspect we would discover it is liberal ideas that most often drive people over the edge. That said, the right to bear arms is clearly and plainly stated in the Constitution as a right that SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. What part of this language do our overseers not understand?


62 posted on 10/06/2015 7:18:07 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Diversity is Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama sharing the same jail cell.)
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To: Jewbacca

I think it would be abused by all.

As a doctor and a scientist I would have thought Carson would have thought this through logically.

There is no criteria and no way to determine who is mentally unstable, especially if they are not in any kind of treatment plan and then again everyone in some kind of therapy is not mentally unstable to that point.

You talk about a real Slippery Slope to go down.


63 posted on 10/06/2015 7:18:23 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: rktman

I agree - not a good idea.
Just as the DHS was converted from identifying and stopping real terrorist threats
to identifying and stopping conservatives,

so would such a “database” be corrupted when the left took over.


64 posted on 10/06/2015 7:22:15 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rktman

Sounds like the beginning of the establishment of the Department of Pre-Crime.

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Then, who becomes the pre-criminal? What are the pre-conditions for determining who might commit crimes?

This would be fodder for control-freak politicians in the near future.

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Seems like the good Doctor is adopting some of Hillary’s methods — ‘magic-wand-ism’. Just wave a magic wand and the problems are resolved.


65 posted on 10/06/2015 7:22:35 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: rktman

Supposedly, the killer from Oregon was taking a number of meds for mental illness that can cause violent behavior. Currently in Wisconsin, there are laws that mandate that if you are a schizophrenic or have other mental illnesses, you are reported to a database that prohibits you from being able to purchase a gun. I’m fine with that law, it just isn’t enforced.


66 posted on 10/06/2015 7:23:28 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: taxcontrol

This is not so much different from Obama Admin wanting to classify many elderly as mentally disabled, if they take certain meds, to bar them from gun ownership.

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Of course, Carson will be walking this back as soon as this firestorm hits him in the face.


67 posted on 10/06/2015 7:25:13 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: irish guard
These laws are on all kinds of state and federal books.....

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/possession-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx

68 posted on 10/06/2015 7:26:10 AM PDT by irish guard
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To: rktman

The Libs already have at least a partial list of potential terrorists....the rolls of Military Veterans. Nasty Palousey and her friends consider our returning veterans terrorists.


69 posted on 10/06/2015 7:27:22 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: MNJohnnie

purposed?
Proposed might make a bit more sense. Eh?


70 posted on 10/06/2015 7:31:43 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: rktman

I wanted to like Carson, but I keep hearing him say stuff like this. This ‘database’ can- and would- be turned into a political weapon in nothing, flat.

Does he want that? Did he not realize that? Did he not think this through?

I don’t want any of the above in the Executive billet.


71 posted on 10/06/2015 7:33:56 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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72 posted on 10/06/2015 7:35:07 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: MNJohnnie

If they actually did that, I guess I’m gonna have to switch to the GOA.
I have to admit, the NRA has had more than its share of stupid ideas in an attempt to seem ‘reasonable.’


73 posted on 10/06/2015 7:40:26 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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Prior to the 1963 Community Mental Health law that took effect, these diagnosed individuals would be institutionalized for their sake AND to protect a civil society. There was a huge mistake made that got the 1963 law passed that released 10’s of thousands of mental patients on to the streets and closed the institutions. The mistake was that the new drugs would fix the patients.


74 posted on 10/06/2015 7:49:40 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: rktman
I would say to nice folks like Dr. Carson, one need look no further to manipulation of data by so-called experts on the global warming scam. There have been a number of politicians, even those on the right, calling for lockups of those who are mentally unstable. My goodness, giving the Left the opportunity to define who they consider "mentally unstable" before the purchase or ownership of a firearm...this is the Left's wet dream.
75 posted on 10/06/2015 7:53:43 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: rktman

Any liberal is dangerous.


76 posted on 10/06/2015 8:05:49 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (We must first defeat RINOs before we can even encounter a Democrat to fight)
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To: taxcontrol

I was in a mass shooting, and I would disagree.

I wirked at ESL when Richard Farley killed 7 of my co-workers.

He planned it. He rented an RV, filled it with ammunition and guns, and then drove to ESL and murdered my co-workers.

He was cold and cruel and I can’t imagine too many people doing that.

By the way, he had a top secret clearande when he worked for ESL. So a background check would not have prevented him from doing anything.

He was supposed to go to court that day to get a restraining order on him. Maybe somehow there could be a way of temporarily flagging someone because he had been fired from work and was following Laura Black. People knew he was crazy by then, but he was still able to purchase an RV full of guns and ammo


77 posted on 10/06/2015 8:22:15 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: teeman8r

I don’t think that’s it. It would not have deterred Richard Farley. He just wanted to get back at Laura Black for refusing his affection. Then he wanted to get back at his boss for firing him.

These people are sick.


78 posted on 10/06/2015 8:25:07 AM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: rktman

Sounds suspiciously like a Department of Pre-Crime to me. Not his best idea, to say the least.


79 posted on 10/06/2015 8:47:59 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: rktman

Well this bounces Carson off the list for me. A “national list?”

No doubt collected and maintained by yet another huge politically infested bureaucratic waste site and black hole into which our tax dollars will go to abuse individuals on whichever side runs afoul of the current political climate. That goes for both sides, Rep or Dem.

As much as Dr. Carson impresses with his knowledge of neurology, I am not much impressed with the rather puerile approach to a very slippery slope.


80 posted on 10/06/2015 9:03:14 AM PDT by MWestMom (Down, down, down the rabbit hole we go.....)
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