Posted on 10/05/2015 9:13:29 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Big news this week as “progressives” worldwide learned, to their utter shock and mournful consternation, that the pope is Catholic. Rumors are they will next examine wild bears, the woods and certain mysteries therein.
On Wednesday the Vatican confirmed what a handful of us knew days before. Pope Francis secretly (and privately) met with Kim Davis at Washington’s Vatican Embassy to personally offer his broad support for her bold stand against that insidious and “intrinsically disordered” counterfeit called “gay marriage.”
Does Pope Francis really support Kim Davis?
While specifics of Davis’ legal case were not discussed during the private meeting, days later Pope Francis publicly affirmed Kim’s “human right” as a “conscientious objector” to refuse to sign her name to “gay marriage” licenses – even in her official capacity as an elected official. This human right, incidentally, is an unalienable right protected by the First Amendment. “Stay strong,” the pope told Kim after the two embraced during the tearful meeting. He thanked her for her courage and asked her to pray for him. She likewise asked him to pray for her. These facts are not in dispute.
On Friday the Vatican issued another statement to clarify what was, or, better still, was not, discussed during the meeting: “The pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects,” said Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi.
As Austin Ruse of Breitbart.com notes, “The Vatican spokesman chose his words carefully. By stating that the meeting should not be considered support for her position ‘in all of its particular and complex aspects,’ Lombardi is allowing the notion that the meeting can be understood as general support for Davis’ cause, but not necessarily papal support for every detailed aspect of the legal case.”
Indeed, neither Kim Davis nor anyone on her legal team ever suggested that the pope supports, or is even aware of, “her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.” Still, based upon his own words and the official position of the Catholic Church, we can know, for sure, of at least three “positions” on which the pope does support Kim Davis. They are: 1) Homosexual behavior is sin; 2) Marriage is exclusively between one man and one woman; and 3) No “human person,” whether a government official or not, should be forced to violate his or her conscience by affirming sin-based “gay marriage.”
Who asked for the meeting?
There has likewise been much speculation and liberal wishful thinking as to how this meeting came about, with some pundits desperately clinging to hopes that the pontiff was “actually swindled into meeting Kim Davis.”
Let’s end the speculation.
Vatican officials reached out, unsolicited, to Davis through her attorney, Mat Staver, and arranged the meeting out of the blue before Pope Francis even arrived in the U.S. for his whirlwind tour. The Davis team was led to believe that the request came from the pope himself. Not only did Pope Francis know who Kim Davis was when he told reporters on the plane ride home that conscientious objectors have a “human right” to decline participation in sodomy-based “marriage,” he had personally met Kim privately, and embraced her both physically and ideologically, before he did so.
The meeting was temporarily kept “secret” during the pope’s visit so as to avoid the predictable media circus that would, and later did, ensue. Both Davis’ representatives and the Vatican agreed that news of the meeting would be released upon the pope’s departure. He wasn’t “embarrassed” by the meeting, as some have suggested, but, rather, held it discreetly for logistical reasons alone.
What does the pope believe about homosexuality and “gay marriage”?
While protestant Christians obviously don’t agree with Pope Francis and the Catholic Church on everything, all faithful Christians, both protestant and Catholic alike, are nonetheless indebted to him for validating Kim’s courageous obedience to God. By extension, the pope has likewise validated every other Christian who refuses to be forced to participate in, or otherwise affirm, this sinful pagan rite. “Gay marriage” is an affront to Christ, the Church and God’s natural order. No faithful believer who wishes to remain in obedience to God can have anything to do with it.
But why? Why is “gay marriage” an affront to God? Why must Christians oppose it?
While the reasons are manifold, it seems most wish to avoid the primary issue surrounding any discussion on “same-sex marriage.” That is, the fundamental wrongness of homosexual behavior itself. If homosexual behavior is not wrong, as it goes, then what justification is there for refusing to redefine marriage around it?
But it is wrong. It’s always, and in every way, wrong.
So says the pope.
So says the Bible.
And, most importantly, so says the very Creator of marriage itself.
On the question of homosexual sin, the Catechism of the Catholic Church offers a clear and biblically sound summation: “Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”
And so Kim Davis refuses to approve them.
Despite progressives’ best efforts, there’s simply no way to get around words like, “intrinsically disordered” and “grave depravity.”
As for those who struggle with same-sex attraction and define their identity as “gay” or “lesbian” based upon these aberrant temptations and proclivities, the Catechism ads, “This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity.”
“They” must be accepted. Their disordered and sinful behavior must not.
On progressives’ push for “gay marriage,” Pope Francis has said, “The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life.”
“Gay marriage” is inherently sterile – a dead end.
“Children have a right to grow up in a family with a father and a mother capable of creating a suitable environment for the child’s development and emotional maturity,” the pope has added, further calling all attempts to impose “gay marriage” on society “ideological colonization which are out to destroy the family.”
“The complementarity of man and woman … is the root of marriage and family,” he observes.
Amen, pontiff sir. Amen.
On Sept. 24, after Kim Davis and Pope Francis met privately, I had the distinct privilege of joining Kim and her husband, Joe, for dinner. In addition to sharing the pope’s views on sexual morality, marriage and freedom of conscience, I saw firsthand that they likewise share the pope’s profound love and compassion for those afflicted by these “trials.”
Kim Davis is an accidental hero.
Pope Francis is to be commended for honoring her as such.
This Pope is confusing me.
He seems to flip flop on a number of issues.
The first issue that struck me hard was his talking about over-population being the cause of ‘climate change’. This comment from the leader of the church which for over 2000 years pushed their members to have as many children as possible, no matter how very poor they were, seems a complete contradiction to me.
Now, every week brings another contradiction.
Is he really aware of what he says.???/
Official Vatican Reinterpretation #12c.
The left is breathing a sigh of relief that the Vatican is walking back the importance of the Pope’s meeting with Kim Davis. But not so fast, how quickly could the lefties be thrown under the bus as well.
He does seem to be in a fog about the logical implications of some of the stuff he is standing up for (and that, largely on the urging of “science advisors” who are not even Christians of any flavor). Does he think that God gave the go forth and multiply command with His fingers crossed behind His back, knowing very well He couldn’t support that?
I was in Austria for a seminar on religious freedom. People told me before I left that it would all be about the middle east and the invasion of Europe and maybe about Trump and the general fear that ALL Europeans have that he is going to be president. No one even mentioned Trump. Very little about the other two issues. I won’t go into details of what the conference was about but Kim Davis was mentioned and they knew her story and supported her.
RE: The left is breathing a sigh of relief that the Vatican is walking back the importance of the Pope’s meeting with Kim Davis
Are they happy that a gay Vatican Official ( a Monsignor ) was fired for coming out (hand in hand with his partner, Eduard) late last week?
RE: When will the stories about pope and kim davis go away.
It won’t because the gay mafia and the left BADLY WANT to believe that the Pope is OK with the SCOTUS ruling and want to believe that he does not support Kim Davis’ resistance to it.
The recent firing of the gay Vatican Official ( a monsignor ) who came out last week ( with his gay partner standing by his side ) should silence all that.
He’s confusing you on purpose. It’s called deception for the establishment of chaos. He did not mention the gospel or Jesus Christ at the UN or Congress. He’s hugging sodomites. He’s throwing Kim Davis under the bus. He’s not very concerned about Christians being executed in Oregon.
Indeed, neither Kim Davis nor anyone on her legal team ever suggested that the pope supports, or is even aware of, “her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.” Still, based upon his own words and the official position of the Catholic Church, we can know, for sure, of at least three “positions” on which the pope does support Kim Davis. They are: 1) Homosexual behavior is sin; 2) Marriage is exclusively between one man and one woman; and 3) No “human person,” whether a government official or not, should be forced to violate his or her conscience by affirming sin-based “gay marriage.”
Nonsense. This “politician-priest” caved to Obama in EVERY public statement and speech.
This “catholic” interpretation is dead wrong and is ONLY a clever excuse making exercise after the fact. There is NO evidence ANY of these three statements is true. Perhaps about earlier Popes, but about Francis?
No. He is a socialist, not a Catholic.
I am Catholic. I agree with you. Very disturbing as the Church moves ever closer to embracing sodomy. At that point I will dissociate.
They must be pissed and just a little bit confused. The Pope also had gay “friends” in attendance.
They must be pissed and just a little bit confused. The Pope also had gay “friends” in attendance.
They must be pissed and just a little bit confused. The Pope also had gay “friends” in attendance.
If that point has not already arrived for you, you may never dissociate.
Thanks but I don’t need you advice. Nor do I want it.
Excellent article!! Yay, Matt Barber! He approves the Pope and Kim Davis, disapproves homosexual mirage, and points to the exact reason it’s not acceptable. BRAVO! BRAVO!
I don’t think having lots of kids means you drive more cars, or contribute to the pollution problem.
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