Posted on 10/01/2015 4:02:47 AM PDT by markomalley
A former Army Ranger instructor said on Tuesday that he has been in contact with the office of an Oklahoma congressman who is questioning if the women who passed Ranger School last month got special treatment.
Michael “Bubba” Moore said he talked to an aide in Rep. Steve Russell’s office about two weeks ago and put the office in contact with people “on the ground” in the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade at Fort Benning.
“I don’t have an agenda. I don’t have a goal. I don’t have an instinct except for I want the facts to be out there,” Moore said during a telephone interview that lasted nearly an hour. “... Don’t tell me that you didn’t set these chicks up for success. I don’t care if you set them up for success, but you didn’t do it for a lot of dudes.”
Capt. Kristen Griest, a military police officer from Orange, Conn., and 1st Lt. Shaye Haver, an attack helicopter pilot from Texas, became the first two women to complete the Army’s most demanding combat leadership course on Aug. 21.
Russell, a Ranger-qualified retired Army lieutenant colonel with combat tours to Iraq and Afghanistan, sent a letter to Secretary of the Army John McHugh on Sept. 15, requesting patrol grade sheets, spot reports, phase evaluation reports and sick call reports, all “with Ranger Instructors’ comments for each and every phase to include every recycled phase and class.”
Russell also requested peer evaluations and “a complete breakdown of each female candidate’s recycle history and dates for each phase.”
Russell’s office declined to comment until the Army has provided the records requested and those are evaluated, a spokesman said Tuesday afternoon.
Moore said he has not talked to the congressman.
“He’s on his path, which is different from mine,” Moore said. “I am on my own little tangent. I only know what I know are the facts.”
Asked if he connected anybody on Russell’s staff with Ranger instructors, Moore answered, “F--- yeah.”
Moore referred to them as “people on the ground” and not Ranger instructors. He said they were in the Ranger Training Brigade.
“They’re everywhere,” he said. “There everywhere. They keep popping up.”
Moore later said he has talked to “Cody” in Russell’s office. In his letter to McHugh, Russell said the secretary could contact him or Cody Hoefer, who is listed as a defense and military policy adviser to the congressman. Hoefer served with Russell in Iraq in 2003 when Russell was commander of the 4th Infantry Division’s 22nd Infantry Regiment.
The key leaders with oversight of Ranger School — Maj. Gen. Scott Miller, commander of the Maneuver Center of Excellence; Col David Fivecoat, commander of the Airborne and Ranger Training Brigade; and brigade Command Sgt. Maj. Curtis Arnold — have maintained throughout the process that no standards were lowered to allow women to pass.
A number of Ranger instructors at the brigade’s three battalions in Fort Benning, the north Georgia mountains and Florida swamps on Eglin Air Force Base have also insisted no favors were given to the female soldiers. Students who passed the course with Griest and Haver and met the media the day before graduation said the women did the same things the men in the class did.
One of Moore’s criticisms of the school was that three women — Griest, Haver and one who is still in the school — were offered the chance to start the course over after twice failing the first patrol phase at Camp Darby on Fort Benning. The Army has termed it a “Day 1 recycle.”
“Historically, giving Day 1 recycles is so rare it is like the second coming of Jesus,” Moore said.
Army officials have denied this throughout the summer and pointed out that two men were given the same offer on May 29 and declined.
“If you fail it twice for patrols, that means you are an idiot,” Moore said. “You are not getting it. Why would I take this idiot and put them with 15 other dudes and go, ‘Hey, maybe we should do this?’ What do you know? You failed twice before. You are not setting the Ranger student up for success.”
Moore, 47, declined to say where he lived, but said he was nowhere near Columbus anymore. He retired last year after 21 years of military service, nearly 17 of those at Fort Benning. He was in the 75th Ranger Regiment when he completed Ranger School in August 1991. Moore spent about eight years in the regiment before becoming a Ranger instructor at the 4th Ranger Training Battalion at Fort Benning. He left the Army and came back in “2003 or 2004” with the National Guard’s pre-Ranger training program.
Moore said he has served one combat tour in Iraq.
Moore has been a vocal critic of women in Ranger School since the process that led to 19 women entering the school on April 19.
“It is compromised,” Moore said. “It is f------ horse s--- and I will tell f------ Turncoat (Fivecoat) and Arnold how could you allow this to happen? Oh, wait a minute — it wasn’t you. It was f------ (then Army Chief of Staff Raymond T.) Odierno’s grand master plan of ‘I am going to get women in Ranger School, you let them stay and train and do nothing but PT.’”
The congressman is also on the record as being against women in the school. He was quoted in a Los Angeles Times article that published the day the women graduated from Ranger School, saying that women often lacked the strength and agility to fight and survive in harsh conditions.
“I’m opposed to lowering the fitness standards for women just to score political points,” Russell told the newspaper. “There are some things they simply cannot do. I know I run the risk of being called a chauvinist pig by saying that.”
“is questioning if the women who passed Ranger School last month got special treatment.”
ANSWER: Is a pig’s ass pork?
Because the forces of peace, love and tolerance would hunt him down and slaughter him.
Served w Russell at Ft Irwin and in Iraq. He doesnt weigh more than a buck twenty soaking wet w rocks in his pocket but he’s harder than a petrified jaw breaker.
He washed from Ranger School as a lieutenant, then went up to Alaska for his first tour.
When he came back to Benning for Infantry Officer Advanced Course, he was hell bent to make it and he did.
He was one of the finest combat leaders Ive ever been around.
He’s got his teeth in this thing like a pitbull and he’s not about to put it down.
RLTW
Bump.
The average male can break the average female in half. Using an economic argument it is wasteful of resources to recruit women into the Rangers. Using a moral/fairness argument, as the Left would in so many other contexts, it just is not right to subject women to the risk.
it's a damned good thing we are reading about a warrior and not a suicide
So he was a LT who didn’t make it through Ranger. THEN he went to IBOLC and went through Ranger? Seems like an odd track. Usually you go through IBOLC then go to Ranger.
Just my two cents but if I was a guy in the Ranger I wouldn’t want a woman (women) in my unit. I think it compromises the entire unit in many different respects and not just the obvious ones. If they are going to have women in the Rangers at least have female units only, dress them up sexy and sic them on the enemy. See what happens with that but don’t let women that cannot see they have no place in Rangers get courageous, disciplined, honorable men killed. I am a female and I can see the obvious. Men and women are different in sense and situation. Women are better at certain things and men are better at certain things. And war sadly enough is all about killing people and breaking stuff and the more savage the better. Makes for a quick end to it I would think. This particular story sounds very much like that G.I. Jane movie with Demi Moore. That’s probably where these Dixie chicks got the idea to join the Rangers. Someone needs to tell Obama’s military brass that was just a movie and Demi really didn’t get jaw punched by her D.I. She might have shot up steroids or did some enhancement to look a little in character but no one touched her precious little million dollar face. What was believable in that movie was the part Ann Bancroft played as the corrupt congresswoman (corrupt congressmen and women are totally believable.) Sounds like Obama has wrecked every branch of the greatest military in the world with elitist, freak pointy headed brass.
BFL
I keep telling ya’ll, this “I am WOMAN, hear me ROAR” business is B.S. - Years ago, a retired Army officer told
me that when his outfit got the BUGOUT signal; they were never able to get the trucks loaded in order to bug out. - There were a lot of women in his outfit, which had a lot of heavy essential equipment. They did not have enough UPPER BODY strength to be able to lift the equipment. - SO, they were never able to bug out for the drill. - In a drill, not so bad. In a war, tragic. WAR IS HELL, not a picnic.
I cannot imagine any woman, other than a Rhonda Rousey type, completing it at all. Not being sexist, just realistic.
So would other leaders of elite soldiers in the intervening 250 years. But they didn't.
So, now all of a sudden things have completely changed and combat leaders have discovered something nobody else managed to figure out?
Nonsense. It is just more Political Correctness run amuck. It can only ultimately end in the unnecessary death of our soldiers and defeat in battle.
That's a good one. I've researched similar numbers in the past making a legal argument (in school) for disparate treatment of women in a hypothetical military school.
for Holly, i'd make allowances... 
No. He went to IOBC (thatd be the late 80s term for IBOLC), washed from Ranger School, went to his first duty assignment at 6th Seperate Infantry Brigade (thats likely 6ID to you. Again, late 80s) RETURNED TO BENNING FOR IOAC 4 years later (I think you call that Infantry Captains Career Course, now) then back to Ranger School.
You tracking?
RLTW
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