Posted on 09/26/2015 6:11:19 AM PDT by GIdget2004
Donald Trump is calling the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) a "disaster" and vowing to renegotiate or break the deal if elected president.
"It's a disaster," Trump told CBS's Scott Pelley in an interview airing Sunday on "60 Minutes." "We will either renegotiate it or we will break it because you know every agreement has an end.  "Every agreement has to be fair. Every agreement has a defraud claim. We're being defrauded by all these countries," Trump continued.
Pressed on whether he supports free trade, Trump responded, "We need fair trade, not free trade. We need fair trade it's got to be fair."
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
Perhaps you can then explain how a union actually HELPS a manufacturer - I can’t for the life of me see how work rules, (very) narrow work definitions, brainwashing workers to HATE their company and especially its management, and labor strikes actually HELP manufacturers, but maybe I’m missing something.
I don’t think you are capable of logical thought. Good evening.
I’m not here to defend unions. You’re stating that unions are THE barrier to a return of domestic manufacturing. I pointed out that non-union manufacturing was utterly decimated in the south, even faster than union manufacturing. How, in your mind, does that equate with anything but a refutation of your claim? Clearly, manufacturing left because of ... trade policy. Unionized laggards were hamstrung for a time by union contracts but bailed out eventually just the same.
“I don’t think you are capable of logical thought.”
Still at it with the personal attacks. How about trying to answer my question?
There are 27 R-T-W states that can support any type of manufacturing you wan to do. Nobody, no union, forced companies to off shore; THEY CHOSE to do that and by passed a move from state to state. To add insult to injury they arrogantly thought they could continue have free access to the US market. That is called economic rape. That is Trumps appeal he wants to stop that.
I’ve said that unions are “A BARRIER” to bringing back manufacturing, not the only barrier. There are also environmental, zoning, safety, and other barriers. But for some reason people here get defensive about protecting unions...even though they practically finance the entire Democrat Party.
As to the South, I guess you haven’t been to the Northeast or Midwest - the carnage of their manufacturing base DWARFS anything the south can ever hope to offer. There is a reason why nearly all of the JOB GROWTH in this country has been in the South. But yes, some factories, union or not, have sucky management and will be shut down, and yes, some of those are in the South.
So do you have anything to support your contention that non-union factories are shutting down faster than union factories or is it based on a few derelict buildings in Religh?
And by the way, there hasn’t even been significant manufacturing in the South until recently...and given the population growth in the South over that same time, I would say manufacturing is doing JUST FINE in the South.
Unions need to be outlawed...I have no clue why you think that factories would shut down if unions went away. Like you say, we have plenty of factories that produce MILLIONS OF CARS every year without unions.
As to off-shoring, that is a DIFFERENT ISSUE, what we have now has caused the off-shoring - making manufacturing next to impossible here (due to unions and other causes) and then having free-trade agreements overseas. Get rid of the unions and some of those factories that my brother shut down would have remained opened. In fact one of them was told that they would be closed down if they unionized (not quite legal, but they wanted the workers to know). They still voted union - and they were shut down 2 years later.
Like it or not, unions are HUGELY DAMAGING, even the threat of unionization drives companies out of this country.
(p.s., thanks for being reasonably civil this time)
I’ve watched whole towns dry up and die since the passage of NAFTA, in rural NC, southside VA, you’ve got to be kidding. You don’t know nearly as much as you appear to believe yourself to know.
“I’ve watched whole towns dry up and die since the passage of NAFTA, in rural NC, southside VA, you’ve got to be kidding. You don’t know nearly as much as you appear to believe yourself to know.”
What has been the trend in NC’s population over the past 20 years? By the way, my problem is with the DAMAGE done by unions, of which you are unable to refute. All you are saying is that free trade has cost jobs - I never said otherwise - I’m only noting that if you close off trade you better control the unions (since they’ll have their monopolies back), or you have some REALLY PISSED OFF consumers as they see their plasmas increase by HUGE amounts, because of union extractions from their employers.
A state with a formerly small-town orientation has seen depopulation in rural areas and booming population in (some) urban areas as well as surrounding suburbs, as it turns increasingly purple due to people bailing out of New York and New Jersey. The people remaining in urban areas have few options as far as employment, so they're either commuting long distances to urban areas or on public assistance. It's pathetic, and it's due to trade policy. Not unions, they never had them. Trade policy.
The people remaining outside of urban areas, I should have said.
Reading Bob’s illogical posts it is not hard to understand why Trump is doing so well.
So we agree that free trade has hurt NC. How about the Northeast and Midwest, which were getting DESTROYED long before NAFTA even existed?
Sorry, Unions are bad, REALLY BAD...and I agree, free trade also leaves causalities.
Oooh look, a squirrel.
I am anti union as the next guy but you cannot outlaw them. So the best way to fight them is to simply move to a R-T-W state.
Are you capable of answering a question?
I detest the union mentality in general, but think they served a valid purpose back in the day, when employer abuses were very real, even life-threatening. For that reason people should be able to unionize if they legitimately want, but employers shouldn’t be forced to accept it, imho. However, this rush to the bottom when we’ve got the most desirable market in the world is irrational. We’re beggaring ourselves, and for what?
Yes. Are you capable of answering without veering off into tangents?
It’s a shame that you DO NOT UNDERSTAND how the government of the United States operates, besides being RUDE by talking behind a person’s back.
For the record, the Wagner Act was ENACTED BY THE 74th UNITED STATES CONGRESS.
What makes you SO SURE that it cannot be outlawed?
“Yes. Are you capable of answering without veering off into tangents?”
Then ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION. What are the BENEFITS of unions when it comes to running a manufacturing plant?
Please try.
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