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The Pope's Real Message: Read the totality of what the Pope said, rather than MSM chosen excerpts
American Thinker ^ | 09/26/2015 | Tom Trinko

Posted on 09/26/2015 6:11:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Pope’s comments to Congress on immigration have to be read in detail in order to understand what he’s saying. He’s not making specific policy statements -- you must provide a path to citizenship. Instead he’s defining the moral rules that should govern our actions:

Our world is facing a refugee crisis of a magnitude not seen since the Second World War. This presents us with great challenges and many hard decisions. On this continent, too, thousands of persons are led to travel north in search of a better life for themselves and for their loved ones, in search of greater opportunities. Is this not what we want for our own children? We must not be taken aback by their numbers, but rather view them as persons, seeing their faces and listening to their stories, trying to respond as best we can to their situation. To respond in a way which is always humane, just and fraternal.

His most important point is that we must treat refugees and would-be immigrants as we would wish to be treated. That’s a moral statement, not a detailed policy prescription.

If we were fleeing for our lives, we’d want others to give us refuge, so we must provide refuge for those who are in danger of death.

The Pope is not saying that we are required to make refugees citizens or to give them welfare for life, just as we could not expect to be taken care of for life simply because at one point in time our lives were threatened. Further, we would not expect that others should solve the problems of our homeland while we reside in safety; even the French refugees from Nazism formed armed units that helped liberate Europe.

Hence, providing temporary shelter for those fleeing ISIS makes perfect sense,

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: environment; popefrancis; refugees
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To: FatherofFive

Me too...


21 posted on 09/26/2015 6:55:13 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: SeekAndFind

His most important point is that we must treat refugees and would-be immigrants as we would wish to be treated.


I agree. Take the women and children and the elderly, but leave the able bodied men there to fight for their country and families.


22 posted on 09/26/2015 6:59:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m trying to find the scripture which says the govt should end poverty and have open borders...

This pope seems more concerned with creating a utopia on earth. Not even Jesus was concerned about that.


23 posted on 09/26/2015 7:00:10 AM PDT by RginTN
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To: Mr Rogers

Do a word search for “ Jesus” in the pope’s remarks
Look for a picture of him wearing his crucifix to lecture Congress

He coulda been lecturing us as a Unitarian

Someone musta got to him because still no Jesus at the UN but he wore his crucifix


24 posted on 09/26/2015 7:12:50 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: RginTN

This pope seems more concerned with creating a utopia on earth. Not even Jesus was concerned about that.

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Beware of anyone with a grandiose vision to change the world or create utopian societies. These are dangerous people whose self-enriching ideas can lead to catastrophe for they are only interested in power.


25 posted on 09/26/2015 7:13:20 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: RginTN

Maybe the people who translated the Bible missed the part where dividing the loaves and fishes was called quantitative easing


26 posted on 09/26/2015 7:14:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

Did anyone see on Drudge where that idiot congressman stole the Pope’s leftover water and drank some of it, and shared it with his wife and staff. He was going to take the rest and sprinkle it on his grandchildren? It said he did the same thing with a glass of water left by Obama once. I would post the article, but it was too difficult from an IPad with the long title. It’s on the Daily Mail website.


27 posted on 09/26/2015 7:20:19 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Obama's Iran nuclear deal - The Devil is in the details.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“If we were fleeing for our lives, we’d want others to give us refuge, so we must provide refuge for those who are in danger of death. “

I’m thinking that if “we” were fleeing for our lives,m most of the women and children would not have been left behind-—but then, muzzies don’t think much of women and children. And why are not Christians being deported from this marvelous country by Obama while making room for his butt buddies?


28 posted on 09/26/2015 7:28:03 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: bramps

It is amazing, as the media did for The Great and Powerful Wizzard of Boz, that they shape the man to their image without listening to the totality of his message. I like this man even more now....


29 posted on 09/26/2015 7:28:18 AM PDT by Shady (We are at war again......this time for our lives...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Make a tent camp for them for refuge they can’t leave for their safety and later return them.


30 posted on 09/26/2015 7:29:34 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: matginzac

I did not catch who she was when he mentioned her but this one he mentioned I knew who he was

He said in his speech to Congress that he is an admirer of Thomas Merton and contemplative prayer

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/24/443126027/in-pope-francis-congress-speech-praise-for-dorothy-day-and-thomas-merton

Thomas Merton was a Catholic monk (convert) who loved Sufi islam
http://www.techofheart.co/2008/12/thomas-mertons-letter-to-sufis-and.html


31 posted on 09/26/2015 7:35:24 AM PDT by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Pope should go to isis and appeal to their humanity directly. Certainly they would welcome his love for them.


32 posted on 09/26/2015 7:37:21 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind

Has the pope addressed the cause of the refugee crisis? Sure it’s ISIS. But it’s globalist forces acting via 0bama that have stirred up the Middle East. Look at Libya; not a perfect country, but relatively prosperous before the coup. Egypt. Kicking out a stable government for the MB which would have killed all the Coptic Christians if they could have stayed in power.

There are no moderate Syrian rebels opposing Assad; there are only ISIS and Al Queda rebels. Why is the U.S. supporting these terrorist groups one day and saying that they are attacking them the next? Why do these groups always seem to have new U.S. equipment? Is the military so stupid as to leave this stuff siting around for ISIS?

The pope is not going to challenge the elites. He won’t go after the crony captalists/neo-feudalists, he will attack the middle class via carbon taxes and wealth distribution. He will be in their camp when it comes to global
government, and a one world economic system. Sure, the pope does say some things that I agree with, but people need to realize that he does this to mollify his critics and maintain credibility. He must be opposed because he is solidly in the collectivist & elitist camp, not those that support individual rights and natural law.

The problem with the unequal distribution of wealth does not stem from those that have prospered in a truly free market system. It arises when a government refuses to respect individual rights and natural law. It’s not a lack of foreign aid that holds back undeveloped nations, it’s tyranny, war and corruption.

Apparently pope f. has refused to aknowledge the truth even when this story was played over and over in Argentina.


33 posted on 09/26/2015 7:39:32 AM PDT by grumpygresh (We don't have Democrats and Republicans, we have the Faustian uni-party)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ok then, what supportive words did he have for the world wide defender of freedom the United States of America?

*crickets*


34 posted on 09/26/2015 7:44:19 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Lera

I saw that reference too but didn’t look him up....but no surprise there.
I’m “friends” on FB with a priest who heard my - ahem - first Confession when I converted and is now a campus minister in No VA. He was excited to post these two referenced “Catholics” alongwith Lincoln and King...
All I could think is that if he follows the Pope and uses these individuals as guides in ministering to the college kids, he’s running the risk of skewing the Church’s that will take along time to heal.
To paraphrase John Paul II, “hypocrisy is the root of atheism....”


35 posted on 09/26/2015 7:51:44 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: SeekAndFind

The Pope brought up Moses so I will refer to what God told him before the Israelites were allowed to enter the Promised Land. Remember this, MOSES WAS NOT PERMITTED TO IMMIGRATE TO THE PROMISED LAND.

The LORD God told the Israelites the reason they were being given the land was not because they were better than the natives, but because the natives were sacrificing their children to false gods. They were warned that if they followed these gods they too would be invaded. They did and they were.

I wonder if the 6 nations that still outlaw child sacrifice have an immigration problem?


36 posted on 09/26/2015 7:52:39 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: matginzac

I think you do Ms Day a disservice in your criticism. Her abortion and out of wedlock birth occurred before her conversion and baptism. After that she advocated a more traditional sexual morality.

On the other hand she was an avid pacifist regarding WW II and Vietnam, but hypocritically supported Castro’s violent over throw of Cuba. I believe she was sincere in her faith but didn’t do so well escaping the Marxist ideology of her youth when she thought about how to best help the poor. Unfortunately the ideas advocated through her Catholic Worker movement were very influential with the boomer era Catholics and I suspect that was why the Pope held her up as an example for an American audience.


37 posted on 09/26/2015 8:51:15 AM PDT by Flying Circus (God save us!)
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To: Slyfox

As usual, they ignore the pro-life part, the part about the destruction of the family from without and within(unmarried parents and gays) while writing article after article about climate change, immigration, etc. Unfortunately, a large number of conservatives are falling for it.

For the Democrat politicians, who CLAIM to be Catholic, the Church policy is that you don’t vote for ANYONE who supports abortion, no matter what their views on other policies are.


38 posted on 09/26/2015 9:03:27 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

He just needs to shut up and go back to his cozy, protected home where invaders are kept out.


39 posted on 09/26/2015 9:14:31 AM PDT by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: silverleaf

Look for a picture of him wearing his crucifix to lecture Congress

He coulda been lecturing us as a Unitarian

Someone musta got to him because still no Jesus at the UN but he wore his crucifix


That I find interesting. Would an RC give me their perspective on that.

If true does he think that relieves him from being there in an official capacity for what he says? Or did he not want to offend someone? Little things have big meanings.....................


40 posted on 09/26/2015 9:22:58 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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