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A Muslim President? Was Ben Carson Right?
Townhall.com ^ | September 25, 2015 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 09/25/2015 7:54:32 AM PDT by Kaslin

Beliefs matter. "Ideas Have Consequences," as conservative scholar Richard Weaver wrote in his classic of that title in 1948.

Yet, for so believing, and so saying, Dr. Ben Carson has been subjected to a Rodney King-style night-sticking by the P.C. police.

Asked by Chuck Todd on "Meet the Press" whether he could support a Muslim for president, Carson replied, "I would not advocate that we put a Muslim in charge of this nation. I absolutely would not agree with that."

Carson was not out of the studio before the airwaves were filled with denunciations. Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said CAIR is calling on Carson to "withdraw from the presidential race because he is unfit to lead, because his views are inconsistent with the United States Constitution."

In the name of tolerance, says CAIR, we cannot tolerate Carson.

And what does the Constitution say?

"[N]o religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

But Carson did not say no Muslim could serve. He said he would not advocate having a Muslim as president, that Islamic beliefs are inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution.

Is he wrong?

Or is it now impermissible to question a candidate's beliefs about God, man, and the state, and about whether his religious convictions might affect his conduct in office?

A man's religion is a part of who he is. While not an infallible guide to what he will do, it is often a reliable road map.

If Mormons still championed polygamy and declared that blacks could not be Mormons, would it be illegitimate to raise that issue?

Should a Quaker who believes in "turning the other cheek" not be pressed on whether his faith disqualifies him to be commander in chief?

If an Evangelical running for president believes the "end times" are at hand, would it be un-American to ask of the Armageddonite if his religious beliefs might affect his decision on war in the Middle East?

Islam means "submission." And a believing, practicing, devout Muslim believes in submission to the teachings of the Prophet.

That means not only following the dietary laws and fasting during Ramadan, but adhering to the tenets of Islam on the modesty of dress in women, praying five times a day to Mecca, and treating false faiths like Christianity as the great heresies that they are.

Anyone recall a collective protest from the Islamic world when that Afghan convert to Christianity was facing an executioner's ax?

Islam instructs its adherents not only on how to live their lives, but also how to organize their society. Is Sharia consistent with the U.S. Constitution? Would not a Muslim presidential candidate have to reject Sharia for America, i.e, apostatize? And what is the penalty for apostasy in the Quran?

Would it violate the spirit of the Constitution to ask of a Muslim candidate whether he agrees with the Quran on the proper punishment for homosexuals, adulterers and thieves?

From the Maghreb to the Middle and Near East, in almost every society where Islam is the dominant faith, repression appears the rule.

Of the near 50 nations where Islam is the majority religion, where is the constitutional republic that resembles our own?

Carson says he would not support turning the armed forces of the United States over to a follower of a faith whose co-religionists have produced the modern Middle East. Why is that bigotry? Is Islam wholly disconnected to the horrors transpiring there?

Islam has bloody borders, observed Dr. Samuel Huntington. Of the ugliest terrorist organizations of which we daily read -- Boko Haram, al-Qaida, ISIS, the al-Nusra Front, al-Shabaab -- are not most of them proudly Muslim?

Given the sectarian war between the Shiites led by Iran and the Sunni led by the Saudis, would it violate the Constitution to ask our Muslim presidential candidate to which of these two he belonged?

Dr. Russell Kirk called ideology "political religion."

Atheists who embraced the political religion of Marxism-Leninism created the Stalinist Empire. Atheist Germans who embraced National Socialism as the state religion produced the Third Reich. And Islamists created Sudan, Saudi Arabia and the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Undeniably, Muslims have proven to be good American patriots, as did the Christians and the Jews who came before them.

But in Europe today, we see hundreds of thousands of Muslims pouring in, adding to the millions there, and they are all not assimilating.

Those elites who say they would be fine with a Muslim president are probably dissembling. Because that is the politically correct thing to say; it makes them feel superior; and no such candidate is in sight.

Indeed, the same elites who call it outrageous that Carson said a Muslim should not be president are the first and loudest to decry any suggestion that our current president is a Muslim.

Liberals like the idea of a Muslim president -- in the abstract.


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KEYWORDS: bencarson; islam; muslims; president
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1 posted on 09/25/2015 7:54:32 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

YES Ben Carson is right....the koran and our Constitution cannot sit side by side...

If you want muslim laws, then go to a country where you can enact muslim laws, this is America and we have OUR Constitution and Bill of Rights that govern us, not YOU!!!


2 posted on 09/25/2015 7:56:44 AM PDT by HarleyLady27 (I have such happy days, and hope you do to!)
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To: Kaslin

Shouldn’t it be, “Is Ben Carson Right”?

The answer is YES!!!


3 posted on 09/25/2015 7:57:33 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Kaslin

Absolutely yes!


4 posted on 09/25/2015 7:57:45 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country)
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To: Kaslin

The media pick and choose items to have meltdowns about.

And this is one of them.

Sharia law is not compatible with our constitution, system of laws, or our values.

A Muslim can run for office because there is no religious test for public office.

But if he is a devout Muslim, he would not be able to execute the office of president, or any other elective office, to the extent that this office conflicts with Sharia.

What exactly is the controversy about???? What did Carson say that was so outrageous, so that the media and liberals decided to go into meltdown outrage mode????


5 posted on 09/25/2015 8:00:48 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Kaslin
You Don't Need To Be Weatherman To Know Which Way The Wind Blows


6 posted on 09/25/2015 8:00:51 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Proverbs 21:20 - The wise have stores of food and oil but a foolish man devours all he has)
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To: All

Carson walked most of his sentiment back, trying for nuance and ending up with incoherent pudding.

The simple truth is that islam is incompatible with our system of government and no muslim is suited or suitable as president. Period.


7 posted on 09/25/2015 8:02:08 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: HarleyLady27

“... the koran and our Constitution cannot sit side by side...”

Shiria and our Constitution cannot sit side by side. The koran is one of the five Islamic guide books, and is not a law code in itself.

The US Constitution is the law code under which we would prefer to live.

Shiria is the law code derived form the 5 muslim books which muslims would prefer everyone to live under.


8 posted on 09/25/2015 8:03:20 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Chgogal
Yes, Carson is right. As I understand Islam, islam is supreme to the state as Islam is a combination of a public and personal way of life. As such, here it would be incompatible with our constitutional proviso of state and religion separation.
9 posted on 09/25/2015 8:05:12 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Kaslin

I would not go so far as to call him the President. I do not think that I ever have referred to him as President, but if I have, I apologize. It was a mistake and won’t be repeated. We do currently have, courtesy of the American voter, amuslim occupying the White House. Also, Ben Carson is right.


10 posted on 09/25/2015 8:08:02 AM PDT by sport
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To: rockrr
The simple truth is that islam is incompatible with our system of government and no muslim is suited or suitable as president. Period.

This is certainly true, but there is an even more simple truth here. Ben Carson can advocate (vote) for anyone he damn well pleases to for President.

11 posted on 09/25/2015 8:12:49 AM PDT by IamConservative (There is no greater threat to our freedoms than Bipartisanship.)
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To: Kaslin

My God, what a question , Is Carson Right, on the Muslim Question. They are in one way or another of Butchering Thousands of Humans all around the World. Because they weren’t MUSLIMS.
oF course Carson is right. These current hoards invading the countries of Europe have left the cities in Shambles.
Look at France, what a mess.


12 posted on 09/25/2015 8:20:53 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Kaslin

“Liberals like the idea of a Muslim president — in the abstract.”

And I’m sure they’d be equally pleased with a Fundamentalist Christian president,as well!


13 posted on 09/25/2015 8:30:01 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Kaslin
Buchanan is missing the point here as he argues from a religious test POV.

If only Islam was a religion. But it's not. It's a theocracy; a false religion based on state laws and codes. It's anathema to our Constitution and our laws.


14 posted on 09/25/2015 8:33:21 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (With Great Freedom comes Great Responsibility)
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To: DBrow
And I’m sure they’d be equally pleased with a Fundamentalist Christian president,as well!

Maybe that was true with the old type democrats.

15 posted on 09/25/2015 8:38:45 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: HarleyLady27

THE TIP OF THE SPEAR
“Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.” Winston Churchill

Since the tragic events of 911, I have spent more time than I ought trying to understand what many – too many – foolishly refer to as the “religion” of Islam.

That has led me to a more intense study of Nazism, Communism, Maoism and other tyrannical political/economic/legal systems.

And THAT has led me to conclude that of the three named above – all of which exacted a terrible human toll – Islam is by far the most dangerous because, of them, only Islam holds itself out to be a “religion”.

As fanatical as the Nazis, Communists and Maoists were – and, of those now among us here in America, the communists who now call themselves “socialists” and “progressives” (all Democrats) – the mindless fervor of the more radical Muslims eclipses all but the more radical “progressives” by orders of magnitude.

But what about the “moderate” Muslims? As several authors correctly observe, they are “irrelevant” as they fail to condemn the murderous radicals. And if the radicals succeed in their quest to dominate the world with their “caliphate”, these so called moderates – who profess to embrace the words of the Koran and the verses calling for the murder of the infidel “wherever he is found” – would quickly swing in behind the crazies to avail themselves of the worldly fruits of their victory.

There are Western parallels to the current Muslim rampage.

Putting aside the frequently dredged up activities of the oligarchs, industrialists, war profiteers Zionists, New World Order crowd and the rest, when America has gone to war, it has been generally understood that we did so to either protect legitimate American national interests or to assist treaty partners under assault by invaders. And those American forces involved in actual combat have been a small percentage of our overall population. The military term for that is “the tip of the spear.” Despite the expected wartime disruptions and accelerated production activities, most Americans were behind those war efforts and could be viewed as analogous to the “moderates” among the Muslims of today.

The Muslim forces now murdering their way across the Middle East and now into Europe are also a fraction of the peoples from that area. So far as we can tell, the majority of other Muslims in that part of the world are those “moderates” referred to above.

Here’s where the parallel ends: When Americans defeated the forces that took us to war, we brought most of our folks home and tried to resume our normal national life, generally leaving the vanquished to resume theirs after attempting to share with them the principles and benefits of the system of economic and individual freedom that makes America unique and, Obama’s protestations to the contrary, exceptional. With the tragic exception of Germany after WWI, we have even helped rebuild the areas in which the conflict raged.

And here is the MOST significant departure from OUR foreign conflicts: OURS have been waged to preserve our freedoms and to establish greater freedoms for those whom we defeated. Islam’s goal is PHYSICAL, MORAL AND SPIRITUAL DOMINATION and those who RESIST ARE TO BE MURDERED!

If Islam should prevail in the current and escalating battle, because their Koran COMMANDS Muslims to DOMINATE THE EARTH, sure as God made little green apples, it IS coming, that bloody physical battle will be waged ON OUR SOIL. A far larger proportion of otherwise noncombat Americans will be involved because, like the American Revolution, the War of 1812 and the War Between the States, IT WILL BE FOUGHT AROUND AND AMONG US.

None will be spared.

Which brings me to a recent media “non-event” that just occurred. Senator Jeff Sessions warned Obama and Kerry to reexamine their insane plan to import up to 100,000 UNVETTED Muslim “refugees”. Senator Sessions used the term “POTENTIAL TERRORIST ARMY” in his remarks. I can’t recall ANY nation whose “leaders” sought to invite potential enemy combatants to its shores, let alone PAY them once in.

A senior statesman like Sessions does not lightly use such language unless he knows something a sad number of Americans either do not or, heads in the sand (or elsewhere) and because they prefer “diversity and tolerance” to freedom, choose to ignore. That phrase probably had a great deal to do with the blackout of his comments by the PC infected “progressive” news whores.

All of which has caused me – and others who have not been cowed by political correctness into a cowardly and, eventually, deadly silence – to offer that there IS NO RADICAL ISLAM: THERE IS JUST ISLAM and ALL of its adherents pose a threat to those who are not.

THINK ABOUT IT...THEN START RAISING HELL WITH THE PUSILLANIMOUS WIMPS NOW THE RULE AMONG THE POLITICAL ELITES!!

And if you believe my remarks to be too strong, rash and politically incorrect, spend 40 minutes here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk with Dr. Bill Warner.
(Don’t be concerned that the first 5 minutes is a low key by Dr. Warner for his books. If not interested in that section, at least sample it to see how thorough is the man’s research. If you’ll run the slider out just past minute 5, you’ll be into the red meat of this important presentation.)

I know I’ve titled this “The Tip of the Spear”. To drive the point home more vividly, I should have called it “The Blade of the Beheading Sword”.

Perhaps Dr. Warner can convince you that we REALLY ARE LITERALLY in for the fight of our lives.


16 posted on 09/25/2015 9:18:10 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: Dick Bachert
THINK ABOUT IT...THEN START RAISING HELL WITH THE PUSILLANIMOUS WIMPS NOW THE RULE AMONG THE POLITICAL ELITES!!

You've spelled SPINELESS WEASELS wrong...

17 posted on 09/25/2015 9:57:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rockrr

Asking whether a Muslim should be president of the USA is similar to asking whether a butcher should be an emergency room surgeon. Why not, they both use sharp edged implements to cut flesh, right?


18 posted on 09/25/2015 10:11:42 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Racism is racism, regardless of the race of the racist.)
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To: Elsie

Oppps. Sorry.


19 posted on 09/25/2015 10:23:42 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)
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To: Elsie

Mark Levin and Dana Lash both ripped the Spineless Weasels a new one on their respective radio shows this evening. Levin found an article in a ‘Rat website/e-zine of all places by a “secular Moslem” self-proclaimed, who agreed with Ben Carson and took P.J. O’Rourke to the woodshed for his snotty article about Carson (one of those “we can write off So-and-So” articles, like they were ever going to say anything nice about a Republican anyway). Worked over some of the other talking heads, too .... with exposition and argument, how about that? Levin was blown away by this Moderate Moo. And said so.


20 posted on 09/25/2015 11:06:25 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutfeld)
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