Posted on 09/23/2015 11:37:40 AM PDT by Biggirl
Luigi Natoli may have argued well that the “papacy” was infallible in the 1800’s but that makes it no more true than any other false claim. Much like the SCOTUS gave itself absolute decision powers on what is and is not Constitutional the papacy made it self the final arbitrator on earth. Both of course are wrong. The New Testament and the Constitution do a fine job on their own to those with whit to read them.
The word we use is “schism”. Jesus gave us a Church in which to live our daily trust in Him. Jesus built the Church for us, and as St. Paul notes, that Church is become the Body of Christ. If we leave that Church, or reject its teachings, we place ourselves in peril of losing the Truth.
Who originally put God’s Word together in the Bible? And then again, who removed some books because those books didn’t fit his view of theology? Who is the arbiter when the Baptists claim one thing, the Methodists another, etc? Where do you turn for the Truth? And how do you know it is true? Who says?
To leave the body of Christ would require leaving the faith, by which one is added to that Body. I You cannot make the visible church to be the same as the body of Christ, as the latter only consists of believers, while the former is mixture of believers and tares.
Yet like as faith without works is dead, the faith of a believer in the Body of Christ will be visibly manifest in obedience to Christ, who was a visible, tangible pretense in this world, and manifestly loved His own even buying them with His own sinless shed blood. And commanded them to love each other as "members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones," (Ephesians 5:30) which thus is sspd to be the cloest thing corporately to Jesus Christ incarnate.
But as very few RCs have been truly born again (and i speak from much experience), I find very very few with whom we can enjoy the fellowship of the Spirit which is so often realized among evangelicals, due to a shared transformative conversion and Scriptural relationship with their Lord, which transcends external boundaries, and is not based on the security of one church. to be lost, damned, as a result of
No he didn't, Jesus did when He said "what you bind on Earth shall be bound in Heaven"....do you really suppose that God would allow man to bind something on Earth that was in error??????????
That had nothing to do with it....Christ made the Catholic Church infallible when He declared that what she bound on Earth would be bound in Heaven and what she loosed on Earth would be loosed in Heaven.....do you think that He would have given her that authority and then allowed her to err????, I don't think so.
Then one must wonder why it was Vat-1 had to say he was ?
Also the Roman-Catholic interpretation of that scripture is completely self-serving.
Peter is not the first Pope, nor is the papacy created or maintained in the New Testament. All of the Apostles were equals.
As far as any group of PEOPLE not being able to err, one only need read the book of Jude to find that argument a poor one.
Sure he was......yes it was.......no they weren't.
What group of people????....priesta can err, Bishops can err, Cardinals can err, Catholics can err, the Pope cannot err under VERY specific circumstances....when speaking from the chair of Peter on matters of faith and morals......any other time he is just another bishop....of Rome.
Well I agree with most of what you said but as a person that believes the book of Jude is correct I MUST disagree that the self proclaimed “Vicar of Christ on Earth” has the power to create new scripture or doctrine is in error.
Wouldn't you agree that Christ, who was God, had the power to establish the office and grant the authority????
He did!
That is little more then the argument on if God can make a rock so heavy he could not lift it.
Could God in the person grant a human the power to change the convent that he was making with all of mankind ? arguably yes. Did he do so ? not according to the New Testament.
Popew have never done anything to undo what God has done, however, to assume that every truth, every fact, every detail had already been revealed to mankind is kind of naive....if the pope determines that enough evidence exists and that there is no reason to doubt something ( the Assumption and Immaculate Conception)...then he has the authority, directly from Christ, to add it to revelation.
That sounds alot like LDS apogists.. the part about not haveing all revealed.. of couse again the Book of Jude says other wise.
“Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints”
note* not once and future updates or addenda.
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