Poll: Fiorina rockets to number 2 behind Trump in GOP Field

CNN ^ | September 20, 2015

[libstripper]

Given what a liar the Rube is, as you show so well, his eloquence means nothing to me.

[Sacajaweau]

Walker and Cruz belong on top, too....Not Carson and Fiorino...

People are voting "who's left"...and they know zip about them.

[grania]

I thought Rubio this AM was quite tempered in his response. He said he believes Obama is Christian and born in the US, but seemed to support the concept that Obama should speak for Obama on these issues. Rubio also blasted Stephanopoulos (in his well-spoken but firm way) for not talking about the issues.

[Sacajaweau]

That’s interesting..........

[InterceptPoint]

If you are not in the top 6 in the current RCP poll you are not going to be President. Personally, I'n not ready to count any of these candidates out. OTOH, a couple of more polls and Cruz is going to slip to 6th - overtaken by Rubio already and Fiorina soon. This is, of course, due to the perceived debate performance which will fade some with time. We will see how that goes.

If push came to shove I would, however, scratch Carson and Fiorina.

Here is the current RCP rank:

Trump
Carson
Bush
Rubio
Cruz
Fiorina

[grania]

re: Rubio

Trump has raised this campaign season to a whole new level. None of the wannabees is perfect. I see Rubio as someone who has consistently voted conservative in the US Senate, not changing course after that very despicable Gang of Eight stuff.

What I heard in the debate and this AM was a Senator Rubio who grasps the issues and isn't following the RNC line. I suspect that's what voters are seeing and liking.

[Lurkinanloomin]

He still believes we should surrender the rule of law and the country to illegal aliens and their employers.

No

[dforest]

See, told ya, he is trying to dial down what he said yesterday. He got backlash.

Rubio is not stable. He wants something too fast.

He is not mature.

[Bobby_Taxpayer]

Title probably should read: CNN promotes FioRINO in new poll.

[Liz]

Wall Street continues to support the Clintons and the buck-raking Clinton Foundation. Goldman Sachs has given through their own foundations — and made new contributions. Yet, the "champion of the middle class continues her phony jihad against Wall Street.....Hillary is calling for prosecuting executives and companies for financial crimes.

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REALITY CHECK---The Hillary-Goldman Sachs connection.

ITEMThen-US Sens Clinton and Corzine. Corzine was fresh out of Goldman Sachs executive suite, buying his NJ Senate seat office for $65 million; then buying the NJ governorship. Out of office, Corzine ran a hedge fund where $1.5 B went missing.

ITEM Chelsea's husband runs a hedge fund that is propped-up by Goldman Sachs---and gained access to bigtime Wall Street investors w/ ties to the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation. Back in 2011, Mezvinsky, now 37, and two former Goldman Sachs colleagues — Bennett Grau and Mark Mallon — began raising money for Mezvinsky's Eaglevale Partners LP hedge fund.

ITEM Mezvinsky's investors include Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein. Blankfein, a slavish Democrat supporter, said he had "always been a fan of Hillary Clinton."

ITEMThe WSJ reports extensively on Eaglevale's underperformance since its inception and Mezvinsky's mediocre investing and strategizing.

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ITEMChelsea and hubby Marc Mezvinsky's $10 million condo
w/ pricey furnishings, and monthly upkeep in the stratosphere...
propped up w/ CGI income...and Goldman Sachs.

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SOURCE: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/here-s-where-carly-fiorina-gets-her-campaign-money-141956879.html

Carly Fiorina at the Clinton Foundation’s 2014 event in Denver
w/ ex-Pres Bill Clinton and then-MTP host David Gregory.

Wall Street funded 2010 Fiorina: In addition to hedge funds and non-bank investing firms, traditional banks, including Morgan Stanley, Societe General, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs and Wells Fargo were among Fiorina’s top 20 donors in her 2010 Cali race. The contributions came from individuals at those banks—not from the corporate entities—with about one-third of the donors residing in the New York City area, even though Fiorina was running in California.

[grania]

I’ll respectfully disagree. It’s opinion, and ours differ. Is Rubio my first choice? No. But I’m seeing him as a nice match with Trump.

[SmokingJoe]

Flashback GOP Iowa poll June 26th to June 30th, 2011:

theiowarepublican.com/2011/tir-poll-bachmann-overtakes-romney-in-iowa

Actual results of Iowa Cucus January 2012:

Rick Santorum
29,839 24.6%

Mitt Romney
29,805 24.5

Ron Paul
26,036 21.4

Newt Gingrich
16,163 13.3

Rick Perry
12,557 10.3

Michele Bachmann
6,046 5.0

Jon Huntsman
739 0.6

elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/states/iowa

[Don Corleone]

If you believe this poll I have a bridge and toll booths I’d like to sell you, cheap.

[dforest]

Cruz doesn’t rise a lot because he isn’t a good candidate.

He has the conservative creds, but he is unable to bring people in.

The choir adores him, but he isn’t a street preacher that can go out and add to the flock.

I posted about this on a thread yesterday.

He needs to suspend being a Senator for awhile. He needs to forget trying to score points by using his Senator status because nobody will pay attention. He needs to be more aggressive in a debate for time and he needs to focus on big issues that people want to keep the country from falling into Hillary’s hands.

Ted is an orator with all the pause and flourish, but there isn’t enough time for that. He needs to get to the point quick when he gets the chance. When he gets the chance he needs to stop talking about his record and SCOTUS cases.

There is a reason people pass him over. It isn’t his conservatism, it is mostly style and personality. He has to talk with folks, not at them.

Hope nobody gets mad at me, but unless Ted changes things, he could never win in a general election.

[tflabo]

Rubio strikes me as too ‘boyish’ to be president. What’s he gonna do when his senate term expires? Ambassador to Cuba might be a good fit.

[LS]

You're looking at this the wrong way. FOLLOW THE LEAD. That's all that matters. Trump's goal is to win delegates. So, in this poll he had a lead of 12 over Carson, now a lead of 9 over Fiorina---that's MOE variation. You could say, his lead really didn't change.

What did change is that the #2 competitor dropped from 19 to 15---on her way back to 10.

Try running a hypothetical primary on this and who wins, big? Trump. But try running 10 hypothetical primaries, and it's all over-Trump wins big. Because The way many of these states are structured, the overall winner wins x% of delegates, but then the person who carries each county wins delegates for that county. So, disproportionately, while a Fiorina might win an urban area, Trump would still not only win the state delegates but the large majority of county delegates as well.

But it's worse for all the rest: NO ONE other than Trump has a lead in any state except Carly in NH, Walker in WI, and Kasich in OH. Trump is second in all those states and would therefore get a % of delegates everywhere he is second. But Walker doesn't even exist in NH, Kasich doesn't even exist in SC, and so on. So out of 10 early primaries (and I'm just making up the numbers to give an idea of proportions), here's what could happen if Trump won 7 states, came in second in 3 (I'll do primary states, not caucuses which are a little more convoluted, and only New Hampsire is proportional:

1. NH: Fiorina wins NH, gets maybe 15. Trump at second gets 5. Kasich nothing, Walker nothing.

2. SC, Trump wins (50) and now leads 55-15 over Fiorina. Nobody else has anything.

3. Alabama is fifth in line, but the third primary state: Trump wins easily (50) and now increases his lead to 105-15. Nobody else gets anything.

4. Next up is Alaska. I have no idea, and haven't seen a poll, but say it's ANYBODY but Trump or Fiorina, say, Carson. Now it's Trump 105, Carson 28, Fiorina 15.

5. Super Tuesday: this is where Trump takes over, as it is disporportionately laden with states AR, TN, NC, GA, where Trump has a very big lead. Even in proportional states here, Trump would win most. But assume Rubio wins one or two, Walker wins one: now they have a handful of delegates in a group with Fiorina, Cruz, and Carson . . . while Trump now has over 500 and is halfway to the nomination.

I am convinced Trump has been playing the delegate #s from day one and CLEARLY (better than most) understands how the game is played. The delegate game demands you play on a national stage. No one, other than Trump, has really been able to do this.

[HoosierDammit]

What - you mean the hundreds of left-wing Carly Fiorina hit pieces posted in the last 72 hours didn’t convince you of that?

In the last four days I’ve read here on FR that the Planned Parenthood videos aren’t as bad as she portrayed them, and that it was wrong of her to refer to her deceased stepdaughter as her daughter; there was even one thread where FReepers were cheering on Barbara Boxer for attacking Carly (someone literally posted “Go Boxer go!”).

Now that cracks are showing, it’s going to be a blast these next few months to watch how the Trumpistas melt down - it’ll be better than HBO.

[NKP_Vet]

Carly loves Hillary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kbvfwV8rHQ

[tflabo]

Cruz would be great in an active VP role with Trump as the doer and Ted as the educator of conservative ideals to the nation. Plus he gets groomed for on the job training as he’s still a relatively young man.

[dforest]

What I am saying is that Trump himself probably was not happy with Rubio piling on and agreeing with Hillary on that silly set up.

If Rubio is dialing it back some, he could be an apology away from consideration.

As you can see, I haven’t thought about who would be a good veep for Trump yet. He has to win first.

But I respect your opinion;)