Posted on 09/17/2015 9:50:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
They like people for sale to run the country.
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Actually - other than the pro-Fiorina slant - this analysis is spot on.
Fiorina's response to the Trump/face thing was handled well, but it was rehearsed and contrived. It reeked of playing the "female" card.
And while I approved of Fiorina's impassioned take on the Planned Parenthood videos, I'm not sure if it was authentic. She was not this agressively pro-life during her dismal Senate campaign. And after playing the female card re: Trump/face, I don't trust Fiorina on Planned Parenthood. It felt focus-grouped.
I did like Fiorina's view on marijuana legalization and sharing her perspective as a parent of someone who died as a result of their drug addiction. That felt authentic.
What really bugged me about Fiorina was her self-absorbed, name-dropping ("Steve Jobs called me...") screed on her business acomplishments and firings. She sounded like Trump in drag. I actually stood up and cheered when RINO Christie ripped her & Trump and said "No one cares about your resume in business."
I would have ranked Fiorina's debate content & performance near the top...of the bottom half (ahead of debate losers Carson, Bush, Trump, Kasich and Paul).
Again, other than the Fiorina GOPe spin, the author's analysis is pretty good.
“Some of what is written is true though......Cruz really doesn’t show any warmth when he talks....he’s sorta a robot”
His thoughts and positions are great. His delivery has too much polish. Too smooth a delivery. I work in corporate America and know some people like this. I wonder if it’s just a “business face” or that’s how they really are. Same here with Cruz. Is the way he speaks about Iran the same way he talks to his wife about what’s for dinner?
I think the whole idea of “you get to respond if someone mentions your name” was abused. It left the opportunity for someone like Fiorina and Christie to agree ahead of time to keep mentioning each others’ names so they could keep talking and steal all the time. The moderators should have only allowed ONE reply back, not another reply to a reply.
Not one question was asked of all participants. The fair way to structure this is to ask a single question that all 11 get to answer in a row. That way they all get equal time. But then the moderator has to wait for 11 rounds before asking a question, making them wait much longer to be on camera again, and that’s why those attention whores won’t do it.
What was terrible was that the 4 people in the first debate probably got much more time on average than the 11 in the top debate. Trump was right that they should’ve bumped out Rand Paul into the junior debate to keep it even on time. Twice as many people with twice as much time in the prime time debate. Instead they got less.
You mean when he says if she cooks meatloaf again that he’s going to double up on the sanctions?
Yes. That. Exactly.
An unscientific internet “poll” is not “accurate” in any way, shape or form.
Winners: Cruz, Fiorina, Huckabee, Rubio
Middle: Bush, Christie, Walker
Losers: Carson, Kasich, Paul, Trump
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While I would agree that Trump held up against a multi-front attack, Trump had MANY, MANY miscues.
Trump clearly misunderstood AND had no knowledge of Syria crossing Obama's line in the sand in Syria. Trump misconstrued it to Obama crossing a line. Trump also bizarrely blamed the 3 senators onstage for not doing their job in Syria. It was Obama's line!!!
Trump also suggested that he would be better than Obama or his GOP competitors on foreign policy because he could get along better with Putin or China or whomever because that's what he does -- he gets along with everybody. WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!!! The US is in a weak foregin policy position because Obama wants to get along with everybody (except Israel).
There were several other Trump miscues, but most glaring was Trump's repeat of using a Democrat talking points memo to attack Scott Walker on the Wisconsin state budget. After the last debate, Trump was admonished in print and other media that there was no budget deficit in Wisconsin and that Trump's source was a Democrat memo. Trump doubled down and repeated the LIE last night.
Trump survived the assault, but was a clear loser last night. Only Kasich and Paul performed worse.
And he looks like a kid in his dad’s borrowed suit. Some kind of weird combination of wide shoulders and a small head. The guy might be right on everything, but he doesn’t come off well on television.
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I remember reading Reagan’s autobiography. He mentioned that early in his acting career he got tailored shirts to compensate for his neck and shoulders making his head look small. He got the tip from James Cagney who had the same problem. Reagan also wore tailored suits as president.
Somebody should give Cruz the hint.
Okay, as you say, this chatty article is spot on. That's a good thing for you. But it's still not believable or useful to me.
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It's really not too hard to know whom to listen to (sic). The GOPe is now hedging their bets. Bush is floundering, Kasich took 17 different positions on the Iran deal last night, Christie is still an Obama hugger and Pataki and Linda Graham can't even reach the adult table. That leaves Fiorina as their next best hope. The GOPe is hoping that most primary voters don't know about or won't remember her losing RINO Senate effort.
As long as you filter out the GOPe spin, this article is extremely useful as a brief summary of an 11 candidate, 3+ hour debate. Not sure what you find to be chatty or unbelievable. I'd be happy to provide a footnoted, 14 page intellectual analysis, but no one would read it.
To me, Trump seemed like the big loser. When Paul said that he would be uncomfortable giving someone with Donald Trump’s temperament nuclear launch codes, Paul said that Trump’s tendency to insult people and disparage their appearance reminded him of junior high school behavior.
It was an ironic gem that Trump’s next comment was that he had yet to say anything about Rand Paul’s appearance even though there was a lot to criticize.
Carly’s low key irony in response to Trump’s dig on her face demonstrated that Trump was a lightweight alongside his opponents. Trump’s only plus was bringing up North Korea.
Jeb lost me with his contrived/feigned outrage over his wife and his repeated demand for an apology from Trump. That was very Sharptonesque.
If Trump gains from this debate, I’ll be disappointed. His business empire of hotels, casinos and golf courses aren’t the same sort businesses that we need to increase to “make America great again” I’ve seen the show “Apprentice” and every task he assigned as tests of his people were far removed from anything resembling real economic activity.
Anybody but Trump or a democrat.
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FYI - I am semi-active at FR. I have been at FR as a poster since 1998 and a lurker for years before that.
I think my best FR piece was a vanity article/thread I wrote in January 2008 titled The Death of Conservatism? - 43 Mistakes and the GOP's Dobson's Choice.
That article and the 487 responses should tell you all you need to know about my FR street cred.
I think that you are in the wrong with Foreign policy and Trump.
It is a different mindset from politician and businessman. Trump is used to going into a potential deal, knowing what he wants and to be able to walk away if it is not coming. He can say to heck with it, and find a resolution elsewhere.
Obummer does want to appease all of everyone and will not play hardball whereas Trump would say BYE! and move on.
While he was wrong with Walker in essence, he is not wrong that Walker is a DISASTER as a politician. He is using the wrong way to point it out.
I thought Rubio did too much speechifiying.
Trump has a plan? Saying that he’ll make America proud again, that we’ll suddenly have millions of new middle class jobs, is a plan? It is rhetoric, not supported by any concrete plan. Anyone who believes that, in the absence of any concrete policy proposals, is guilty of wishful thinking, of buying-in to the snake-oil salesman.
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