KORAN DISCOVERY ONLY STRENGTHENS ISLAM

Frontpagemag.com ^ | September 4, 2015 | Raymond Ibrahim

[Biggirl]

The media is abuzz with news that a portion of the Koran, which Muslims believe was first recited by their prophet, Muhammad, may actually predate Muhammad himself. Many seem to think that such news will have a large impact on the Muslim world and make Muslims rethink the veracity of their faith.

[Yosemitest]

Their spirituality DOES !

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Their spirituality DOES !"

Whose spirituality does what?

[Yosemitest]

Muslims today, their attitude their spirituality comes from the description of Ishmael's foretold character.
Read Matthew Henry Commentary on the Whole Bible (Complete) / Genesis / Genesis 16 / Verses 10-14.

Verses 10-14 We may suppose that the angel having given Hagar that good counsel (v. 9) to return to her mistress
she immediately promised to do so, and was setting her face homeward;
and then the angel went on to encourage her with an assurance of the mercy God had in store for her and her seed:
for God will meet those with mercy that are returning to their duty.
I said, I will confess, and thou forgavest, Ps. 32:5 .
Here is
I. A prediction concerning her posterity given her for her comfort in her present distress.
Notice is taken of her condition:
Behold, thou art with child;
and therefore this is not a fit place for thee to be in.
Note, It is a great comfort to women with child to think that they are under the particular cognizance and care of the divine Providence.
God graciously considers their case and suits supports to it.

Now,
1. The angel assures her of a safe delivery, and that of a son, which Abram desired.
This fright and ramble of hers might have destroyed her hope of an offspring;
but God dealt not with her according to her folly:
Thou shalt bear a son.
She was saved in child-bearing, not only by providence, but by promise.

2. He names her child, which was an honour both to her and it:
Call him Ishmael,
God will hear; and the reason is, because the Lord has heard; he has, and therefore he will.
Note, The experience we have had of God’s seasonable kindness to us in distress would encourage us to hope for similar help in similar exigencies, Ps. 10:17 .
He has heard thy affliction, v. 11.
Note, Even where there is little cry of devotion, the God of pity sometimes graciously hears the cry of affliction.
Tears speak as well as prayers.
This speaks comfort to the afflicted, that God not only sees what their afflictions are, but hears what they say.

Note, further, Seasonable succours, in a day of affliction, ought always to be remembered with thankfulness to God.
Such a time, in such a strait, the Lord heard the voice of my affliction, and helped me.
See Deu. 26:7 ; Ps. 31:22 .

3. He promises her a numerous offspring, (v. 10):
I will multiply thy seed exceedingly,
Heb. multiplying, I will multiply it, that is, multiply it in every age, so as to perpetuate it.
It is supposed that the Turks at this day descend from Ishmael; and they are a great people.
This was in pursuance of the promise made to Abram:
I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth, ch. 13:16 .

Note, Many that are children of godly parents have, for their sakes, a very large share of outward common blessings,
though, like Ishmael, they are not taken into covenant:
many are multiplied that are not sanctified.

4. He gives a character of the child she should bear, which, however it may seem to us, perhaps was not very disagreeable to her (v. 12):
He will be a wild man; a wild ass of a man (so the word is),
rude, and bold, and fearing no man—untamed, untractable living at large, and impatient of service and restraint.
Note, The children of the bondwoman, who are out of covenant with God, are, as they were born, like the wild ass’s colt;
it is grace that reclaims men, civilizes them, and makes them wise, and good for something. It is foretold,
(1.) That he should live in strife, and in a state of war:
His hand against every man —this is his sin;
and every man’s hand against him —this is his punishment.
Note, Those that have turbulent spirits have commonly troublesome lives;
those that are provoking, vexatious, and injurious to others, must expect to be repaid in their own coin.
He that has his hand and tongue against every man
shall have every man’s hand and tongue against him,
and he has no reason to complain of it.

And yet, (2.) That he should live in safety,
and hold his own against all the world:
He shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren; though threatened and insulted by all his neighbours,
yet he shall keep his ground,
and for Abram’s sake, more than his own, shall be able to make his part good with them.

Accordingly we read ( ch. 25:18 ), that he died, as he lived, in the presence of all his brethren.
Note, Many that are much exposed by their own imprudence
are yet strangely preserved by the divine Providence,
so much better is God to them than they deserve,
when they not only forfeit their lives by sin, but hazard them.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Muslims today, their attitude their spirituality comes from the description of Ishmael's foretold character."

Even if true (and it's not something I care to spend time hassling back and forth about) it has nothing to do with being sprung from Ishmael's loins.

If you mean the whole thing metaphorically, then this whole discussion about genealogy has been beside the point, hasn't it?

[B4Ranch]

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4. True Lies – the Paradox of Debating Shariah

5. Taqiyya – A Concept of Deceit that Security Professionals Must Know

6. Slander – How it is Used and Abused Under Shariah

7. How Shariah ‘Blasphemy’ Laws are Being Imposed On Us

8. What is the Muslim Brotherhood and How Does it Operate?

9. Genesis of the Muslim Brotherhood

10. Movement of the Muslim Brotherhood into the West

11. The Muslim Brotherhood’s Westward Infiltration

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13. The Holy Land Trial: On the Trail of the Muslim Brotherhood

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[Yosemitest]

NO.

[Mrs. Don-o]

But most Muslims are not physical descendants of Ishmael.

So around and around we go.

Mu advice:

Titus 3:9
Avoid foolish arguments, genealogies, rivalries, and quarrels about the law, for they are useless and futile.

[SunkenCiv]

Oldest Koran ‘Destabilises’ Islamic History, Scientists Say It Pre-dates Mohammed
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3331295/posts

[SE Mom]

Fascinating. The writer’s conclusion is probably accurate. The hard-core muslim mindset is not amenable to scientific ideas or reasonable questions ..

[caww]

...”The hard-core muslim mindset is not amenable to scientific ideas or reasonable questions “....

If they’re attending Mosque and read the Koran they are hard core but ‘pretend’ to be otherwise in the US and other nations they use as host.

And the mindset ‘could not’ be “amenable to scientific ideas or reasonable questions” under Islam....not possible with the stronghold on their thinking...if they think at all...Most are wired emotionally above all else.

[SE Mom]

Bingo! And that’s what the writer says as well.