Posted on 09/03/2015 5:29:33 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
“That’s not how this works. this is not a first amendment issue.”
I’m sure you’ll correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t see that I wrote anything about this being a first amendment issue.
I’ve responded to your statement: “The Supremes merely changed the interpretation of the existing laws. Based on the equal protection clauses. Therefore, if there is a marriage statute it applies to any two unrelated people considered adults.”
You are stating an opinion. One which is not reflected in our history.
How did you arrive at this conclusion? On what philosophical foundation is this idea based?
You are right, and I am wrong. But of course my statement was contingent upon the condition of the People of Kentucky rising up and demanding it, and apparently that hasn't happened to the extent necessary.
We go to our dooms with little fuss.
DL, you know I respect you. I really do.
But you are being obtuse just for the sake of an argument.
We agree on the fundamental principles of this thing. But, I recognize the Supreme Court as the ultimate authority on this. I don’t agree with it any more than I agree with any of the other recent decisions.
But, if we are a nation of laws then we must work within the laws to change them.
This woman is free to do or not do what she wants. But she is not going to overturn anything.
See my response in the previous comment to Mr D Lamp.
I am not a lawyer. I am not a fan of this court.
But I am an American that believes in the rule of law. I get more angry at the Clintons who flaunt their disregard for the law. I despise the IRS for their actions that were illegal.
But we can change the law, but we have to follow it no matter how wrong we think it is. That is why we use courts instead of mobs.
There is a larger social dynamic at work here. We are fighting an army without weapons to engage them. Their ranks go far beyond the Judiciary, and if they are not met and challenged, they will legally usher in a "terror" that will match anything the French or Nazis did.
Our "Laws" are based on a philosophical foundation of Christianity. This notion of "equality" to which you referred earlier is a consequence of the Christian World View. It is not replicated in Islam, or other religions, it is pretty much a Christian dominant principle.
Christianity teaches that we are all equal in the eyes of God, but this has been turned into something evil. It has been twisted to mean people and things that are very much NOT EQUAL, must be regarded as "equal" or there will be punishments. This is veritable Procrustean bed of Gleichschaltung.
We now have 4'5" Highschool football players, transgenders in the girls bathrooms and next year serving openly in the military, we have female "Rangers", and an affirmative action President who is an idiot.
All because we wish to pretend that "equality" makes up for reality so as to avoid hurt feelings.
Reality is a bitch, and when she bites a lot of people are going to get hurt and killed because of our insistence on embracing delusions.
The "Law" you speak of is a consequence of Judges who have no respect for what is the Law, and instead remake it in their own image at their whim. Their existence in our power structure is a consequence of irrational voters supporting candidates who advocate irrational ideas, many of which are simply bribing voters with taxpayer money and debt from borrowing. (A condition only made possible by Liberal Republicans who pushed the 24th amendment, ostensibly for reasons of "equality", but in reality to secure for themselves a political windfall of new voters. That actually backfired on them. They empowered the Democrats because LBJ outsmarted them.)
Liberal representatives are also the consequence of total Liberal control of Media and Entertainment, a phenomena regarding which I could write a dozen essays. The Ballot box no longer represents the will of the contributing members of society. Now it represents the latest whims of the shallow foolish people who can be steered and stampeded into a direction by the News and Entertainment media as well as the parasites and the corrupt who make money wrecking the national government.
The "Law" has become nothing but the embodiment of this foolishness and corruption and has long since ceased being worthy of respect. It will become increasingly worthy of fear because we are quickly reaching a time when it will be impossible to avoid breaking it.
This is where they want us. That is where they are trying to put us.
I understand that. I am more than happy to walk the lines with a pitchfork.
To me, its not about gay or not gay. Its not about religion. It started with me when the voters of Mass voted in a referendum to reinstate the death penalty (way back in the early ‘90’s) and the State House ignored it.
Then they decided on gay marriage, without input from anyone.
I had a good friend loose his job for a consensual affair with a non subordinate at our office. It was happening the same time Clinton’s crap was happening.
My anger comes from us not being a nation managed at the consent of the governed.
We cannot have referendums on EVERYTHING, but there are clear cut cases where the vast majority of people are thinking one way, and the government goes the other way.
We need to change the whole group. I would vote for Bernie Sanders if I thought he could actually change anything. I would vote for Trump as well. But it is not going to matter. The entire Congress needs to be dismissed and new elections held.
Did KY have a race limiting marriage bill? Just curious if they did—and if so, did they have to change it or was it “automatic.”
(I am not equating Race with being gay.—although i would suggest african american gays got dealt a shitty hand! I am using the example because its the closest thing I can think of off the top of my head.)
I really do not know the answer...
This latest issue in Kentucky is also a case of the powers that be ignoring the consent of the governed, but I fear it is so much more than that.
The Notion that laws should be obeyed, even if they are immoral is inconsistent with the example of the Founders and in subsequent history has empowered some very evil people to do very horrible things.
I do not see this as just an issue of "gay" marriage, I see this as a trial effort at conditioning the public to accept immoral laws and immoral demands.
Once the powers that be see that they can get away with relatively small things, they will try to incrementally get away with worse and worse things. This is the Frog in the Pot Syndrome, and I am like Cassandra; I Can see it happening, and I am trying to war people about what the consequences will be, and all to no avail.
If there is a time to reject the authority of the "Law", this is a pretty good time to do it. It will get less easier as people become more and more accepting of doing things that had always been considered immoral.
I have been a problem with authority since about ten minutes into my first year at military college.
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