Posted on 09/01/2015 10:09:34 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell
"When did you stop beating your wife?" is the position of the logical fallacy, the Loaded Question. The answer "I never started" improperly grants the question the dignity of the reasonable.
"Pope tells priests to pardon women who have abortions ... overruling hardline traditionalists within the Catholic Church" screams the headline from APF by Jean-Louis de La Vaissiere.
He writes from the Vatican, without knowing anything about his subject.
Prior to this declaration, only the Pope himself could pardon the sin of abortion.
"Sins which the priest has no authority to absolve are called reserved sins. Absolution from these sins can be obtained only from the bishop, and sometimes only from the Pope, or by his special permission. "
Prior to this declaration, absolution for abortion was reserved to the Pope.
No "hardline traditionalists" I’m aware of in the Catholic Church have sought to deny abortive Mothers the sacrament of mercy.
I should know, I’m one of those "hardline traditionalists". I also maintain a Rachel’s Vineyard web page for my local Catholic Diocese.
And I have held baby showers for 250 low income Moms since 2009.
Maybe Messieur de La Vaissiere would like to learn something about his subject before pronouncing authoritatively upon it.
Not to mention that the Church sends nobody to Hell.
Wow I never new that Catholic Priests sent anyone to hell, do the clergy of other religions also have this power?
Priests don’t send anyone to Hell, people send themselves. And all who repent are forgiven. Who is this writer?
They send themselves.
This is a confusing piece. It is not logical nor coherent
The story is that, one, God’s forgiveness is invinite. Nothing we do is above it. In the Catholic Church, we have to want forgiveness and ask for it
In the Catholic Church, there is no judgement of people of other faiths. They do what they do.
The pope came out and said that those within the traditionalist ‘sect’ who reject Vatican II teachings, can ease up and just go to confession with a priest if they seek forgiveness for having had an abortion, like any other Catholic can do
Rachel’s Vinyard is a very well respected society which was founded by a post abortive woman who found a healthy way for other post abortive parents to gain healing and communion wit the Church through ordinary, sanctioned and catechetical means
There is certainly not a demand that only the pope can gain forgiveness, as far as I am aware, though I am not involved with any of these groups nor Rachel’s Vinyard. It is just something I recommend to people who know people troubled by being post abortive
It’s hard to imagine any massive population among Pius tenthers being post abortive
But I do not believe that anyone running a Rachel’s Vinyard (legitimately) tells people the need th pope in order to get forgiveness
If anyone cares to flame me over confession, leave me alone and look it up in the catechism. Or in the bible, the gospel. Anyone can seek forgiveness directly from God but Jesus gives us a good means through priests to him
Abortion is grounds for automatic excommunication. So the answer to the question is when they truly repent their sins and they are absolved.
No, it was reserved to the local bishop, who could delegate to his priests, either case-by-case, or more generally.
There are excommunicable offenses whose pardon is reserved to the Pope, but abortion isn't one of them.
I just hope that making absolution easier doesn't make sinning easier.
I’m not a Catholic. I pray directly to God for forgiveness of my sins. You know, that whole Lord’s Prayer thing. I don’t see the point of a middleman.
People send themselves to Hell. There is a way of escape if only they would take it.
Before this non-Catholic Pope, there was an automatic excommunication attached to abortion, and to any act helping produce it. Only the Pope was able to release the excommunication.
(The article wrongly says that only the Pope was able to forgive abortion. There are no reserved sins. An excommunication must be lifted before absolution can be given in confession. Some excommunications could be lifted only by the Pope.)
I have to conclude that the excommunication can now be lifted through a simple confession to a priest. If that’s the case, then for all practical purposes there is no excommunication.
This is the Pope’s answer to the recent revelations about planned parenthood. Tell the mothers that it’s all right, that they can just go to confession and it’ll be all better.
There are no sins that cannot be forgiven in the Catholic Church. To do so would infer that the Church has authority over the forgiveness of GOD, and that does not exist. The Pope is the Bishop of Rome. As such he is the head of the Church. He is not God. Manmade laws have always resulted in a fractured faith—Look no further than the Reformation, at the time the Church was selling “tickets to heaven” for a stiff price to finance their Cathedral building. This is and will always be the problem with a Man made Church that Describes itself as a religion. BTW, I am Catholic and have seen my faith torn to shreds from the pedophile priest problem (EGO of the Church) to the Media’s interpretation of what a Pope actually says. I remain faithful despite this.
” Prior to this declaration, only the Pope himself could pardon the sin of abortion.”
I do not recall reading that anywhere in the Bible.
It’s good to know that even in the age of a secular Pope; Lucifer’s little minions are actively seeking their own retribution.
The price of our sins was paid for on the cross. The truth of repentance is known to the Lord and it is his justice that of the church which is final.
Right there in the chapter on Purgatory.
Incorrect, only GOD has the ability to absolve sins.
AL Gore, the vicar of Gaia on the Earth, has the ability to absolve companies that produce carbon through his Carbon Credit absolutions for carbon “sins”, but that's as close as a human can come to absolving sin.
This pope is the biggest sinner of all recent popes. Nearly everything he says is a Socialist lie. Anyone who promotes the Climate Change Hoax to billions of people is a liar.
“I’m not a Catholic. I pray directly to God for forgiveness of my sins. You know, that whole Lord’s Prayer thing. I don’t see the point of a middleman.”
Christ did. John 20:19-23.
By the way, Christ WAS A MIDDLE MAN. 1 Timothy 2:5
It helps to actually know things like Christianity and the Bible.
They get it, apparently, from a passage that states that what sins the church forgives, God forgives, and conversely.
The take on that passage is different in different segments of Christendom. A classic evangelical take on the passage is that it means that the church has a duty to remain in step with the will of God, rather than a license to modulate it. And when the church does that, the results will be as described.
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