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Chris Christie Rand Paul scraping the bottom in new PPP poll (60%+ Trump voters: Obama not U.S. born
MSNBC (Maddow Blog) ^ | 8/31/2015 | Will Femia

Posted on 09/01/2015 7:05:00 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Tonight, Public Policy Polling gave the Rachel Maddow Show a sneak peek at their results of their August 28-30 poll to be released tomorrow. While the findings at the top of the poll are what we've come to expect from the Republican field - Donald Trump and Ben Carson - securing the top spots - what is more surprising is to find beltway-favored candidates Chris Christie and Rand Paul floundering at the bottom with barely any support.

The poll also shows the tea party character of the Republican Party, with strong birther views and a dubious grasp of some key facts about President Obama and Senator Ted Cruz. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: 2016election; bencarson; bush; carlyfiorina; carson; chrischristie; cruz; donaldtrump; election2016; fiorina; huckabee; jebbush; johnkasich; kasich; mikehuckabee; naturalborncitizen; newjersey; obama; paultardation; paultardnoisemachine; ppp; publicpolicypolling; randpaul; randpaulnoisemachine; randsconcerntrolls; scottwalker; teaparty; tedcruz; thedonald; trump; walker
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To: FreeAtlanta

I know. In a lawful world, a world governed by the rule of law, this two-timing POS wouldn’t be allowed near a dog-catcher position, let alone president. It’s infuriating.


21 posted on 09/01/2015 7:50:13 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

He would never be able to access top secret documents.

This loop hole endangers our nation.


22 posted on 09/01/2015 7:54:44 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Restore Liberty!)
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To: Swede Girl

It really does not matter one teeny-tiny little bit who Obama’s genetic father is. That is utterly beyond irrelevant and meaningless. There is no meaningful scandal, certainly not one that should affect Obama in any way. Fact is, even if Obama’s mother was fooling around, and quietly married another man rather than have her child out of wedlock this is no scandal for the baby, and really not much of one for the family, just a bit of gossip and some shame for a very young mother, which should be long been forgotten. What only matters is who is Obama’s legal father, the one who gave the baby his name and married his mother. Barak Obama Senior and Obama’s mother have said is BO Senior is father, and legally this is so, Obama inherits his citizenship. Therefore Obama is not a natural citizen whether he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, or possibly a maternity home in Canada. And if Obama was indeed born in Canada or in Kenya, his mother was too young to confer citizenship and therefore there is a question as to whether Obama is a citizen at all. That is the real scandal. The only reason I can see to try to drag Marshall Davis into this, is to try to muddy the waters, suggesting that Obama is the son of two American citizens. Even if so, it does not matter, a citizen of Kenya, married to Obama’s mother, has acknowledged Obama as his son.


23 posted on 09/01/2015 7:56:18 AM PDT by erkelly
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If Christie is dropping (even lower) that may be good news for Fiorina.


24 posted on 09/01/2015 7:58:15 AM PDT by cookcounty ("I was a Democrat until I learned to count" --Maine Gov. Paul LePage)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Cruz is not eligible. He was born in Canada.


25 posted on 09/01/2015 8:14:19 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Demiurge2

<<”More than 60% think Obama was born in a foreign country”>>

What’s forgotten is that when Obama was a younger man, trying to get his book together, His literary agent put out an intro to the new author (obama) stating that he was born in Kenya.

I don’t believe he was born in Kenya, but I do believe he lied about his origins to make him seem a little more “exotic” and “interesting” to readers who might see themselves as “global citizens.” Obama has never made any correction of that specific record. And from that original dishonest claim, the whole “birther” controversy grew.

Here’s the Snopes “urban legend” skeptic site saying the literary agent’s blurb did in fact happen:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp


26 posted on 09/01/2015 8:26:51 AM PDT by cookcounty ("I was a Democrat until I learned to count" --Maine Gov. Paul LePage)
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To: Signalman
His mother was also a US citizen which makes him eligible to be President.

His mother did not meet the requirement to pass citizenship to her son. Age and residency of the mother matter.

27 posted on 09/01/2015 8:48:40 AM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

I’m glad to see big government liberal Christ Christie failing. I just hope he stays in long enough to pull a few votes from Jeb. I’m sorry to see Rand having trouble. He’s not my first (or second or third) choice, but at least I more or less trust him to do what he promises.


28 posted on 09/01/2015 11:07:09 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: itsahoot

That’s only true for persons born outside of the U.S.


29 posted on 09/01/2015 12:20:50 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: cookcounty

More than a year before the Publisher’s pamphlet was written. Obama was interviewed in major newspapers when he became President of Volume of the Harvard Law Review.
Articles published in the New York Times, the Washington Post, the LA Times and the Chicago Tribune from 1990 all said that he was born in Hawaii.
For example: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html


30 posted on 09/01/2015 12:27:00 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: cookcounty
Here's the Snopes explanation of this innocent little mistake:

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients. "You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

The obvious question is where did the "facts" come from that this woman was checking, if not from Obama? The only person who can explain this IS OBAMA!

31 posted on 09/01/2015 2:21:47 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: LS

the third possibility is he was born in Canada. And both the Hawaii and Kenya stories were lies that he and the Dunhams switched between for their convenience.


32 posted on 09/01/2015 4:42:19 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Swede Girl

It is obvious FMD is the father. But did the cover-up at the time extend to sending Ann all the way to Kenya to have the baby? This still seems possible. The location of the birth does matter and does effect his elgibility, even with an American father.


33 posted on 09/01/2015 4:44:29 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: erkelly
It really does not matter one teeny-tiny little bit who Obama’s genetic father is.

If known Communist pervert Frank marshall davis is Obama's real father and raised him from age 10 to 18, that certainly matters.

What only matters is who is Obama’s legal father

We haven't seen any real, genuine birth documents from 1961. We don't know for sure if Obama Sr was actually listed as the legal father then.

the one who gave the baby his name It is not 100% clear he gave Barry his name. The Dunhams may have simply stolen it.

and married his mother

There is no evience of an actual marriage ceremony. Obama Sr wasn't even around for the divorce proceedings. He may not have known either the divorce or the "marriage" ever really happened.

legally this is so, Obama inherits his citizenship. Therefore Obama is not a natural citizen

"Legal" and "natural" aren't the same thing. If his biological father is Davis, that is his natural father. That's a fact of nature.

The only reason I can see to try to drag Marshall Davis into this, is to try to muddy the waters

Some people value truth for its own sake. That's a shame you're not one of them.

34 posted on 09/01/2015 4:51:39 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: Plummz

Hmm. That’s the first I’ve heard of that. What’s your evidence?


35 posted on 09/01/2015 4:52:37 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Nep Nep

His own book publicist claimed he was born in Kenya, as did his “wife”. Could they both have gotten such a basic fact of his life wrong?
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And don’t forget Obama’s grandmother who claimed he was born in Kenya.


36 posted on 09/01/2015 5:02:42 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: LS

That has been widely speculated based on the fact that momma Dunham and baby Barry appeared in Seattle less than three weeks after (the alleged date) Barry was born and lived there for the next two years.

A 100-mile drive from Canada seems more likely than a trip from Kenya for such a small baby. There were homes for unwed mothers right over the border.


37 posted on 09/01/2015 5:04:25 PM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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