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Graham: Trump's immigration plan is 'stupid' and 'illegal'
Politico ^ | 08/25/15 | Nick Gass

Posted on 08/25/2015 12:34:08 PM PDT by Enlightened1

Lindsey Graham excoriated Republican presidential rival Donald Trump on Tuesday morning for his immigration plan, calling it both “stupid” and “illegal.”

In an interview with “Fox & Friends,” Graham addressed Trump’s immigration proposal, which would call for the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, revoke birthright citizenship from the children of immigrants who came to the United States illegally and call for the construction of a wall along the United States’ 1,900-mile long border with Mexico.

“Well, Donald Trump’s plan on immigration is stupid,” the South Carolina senator said. “It’s illegal.”

If you try to deport American-born children of immigrants who came to the country illegally, “you’ll get creamed in court,” he added.

Most Hispanics, Graham remarked, find Trump offensive.

“I find him offensive,” he said. “His solution is just constitutionally flawed. It’s not practical.”

Graham also took aim at Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus who in an interview over the weekend said that Trump is a “net positive” for the party.

“I think that’s dumb, too,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New York; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2016election; aliens; election2016; graham; illegal; lindseygraham; newyork; plan; southcarolina; trump
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To: Vanders9

immediacy=immediately


81 posted on 08/28/2015 8:57:38 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vanders9

“I would agree, but although its Mexico’s problem, they are making it >your< problem - because their citizens are flooding into the USA in response.”

You talk like you are not a US citizen or are in favor of Amnesty or actually complete submission (you speak like it is “impossible”)?..funny word choice when you say,”your problem” instead of saying “our problem”?

Otherwise, i agree we have been, are being, invaded. And i support any legal measure to stop it. Would consider any last resort.
Really i don’t understand what’s to talk about?

I assume WE? do not want illegal invaders in our country?


82 posted on 08/28/2015 9:11:58 AM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: Leep
I'm not a US citizen, so its not (immediately) my problem.

It doesnt matter if its illegal now. A law is passed it becomes legal. I still doubt the efficacy though.

83 posted on 08/28/2015 11:15:52 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: central_va
If the social economic pressure of unmitigated immigration is abetted the ingenious population birth rate will return to above replacement level.

There is no evidence at all that any such thing will happen. The demographic collapse in birthrate has many factors but competition from foreign imports is certainly not one of them. In fact, Mexico's birthrate is dropping even faster than the US rate.

Why do you feel the need for ad hominem attacks? It doesnt add to this discussion. As a side note though, the British people did not throw out Churchill. They threw out the Conservative party, principally because it was out of touch with the electorate. Churchill himself remained very popular.

84 posted on 08/28/2015 11:25:11 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Enlightened1

Oh Linda calm down. You know at least one of those terms belongs to you.


85 posted on 08/28/2015 11:27:57 AM PDT by JayAr36 (A land without borders is not a country. So where did America go?)
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To: Vanders9
You seem to confuse where the duty lies. The duty of our Governments is to the rooted peoples of our constituent States, not to those of other nations.

While we offer friendship to all, we do not offer--or should not offer--to take the fruits of the labor of Americans, to bestow on those who may envy our achievements. Of course, anyone may contribute to others, from their own labor--but not from an involuntary neighbor.

Similarly, we owe it to our posterity to preserve the lands and resources, with which we are Blessed. We no longer have a largely unsettled frontier. Many of the still vast unsettled areas are not really suitable, or if suitable, have other reasons not to be conducive, to new settlements--even of immigrants from nations that share more of our cultural values, than do those from South of the border.

If you would care to study American history a little better, you might learn that Thomas Jefferson made the vast Westward expansion possible by purchasing the Louisiana Territory from the French. If you looked more clossely yet, you would learn that his motive was his considered need for a barrier between Anglo & Hispanic culture. He was not hostile to the latter; just aware that the two were not really congenial.

86 posted on 08/28/2015 11:43:54 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Vanders9
Do you ever listen to yourself.

Churchill is a hero and I lost all respect for the British people when I learned in grade school how shamelessly you cast that brave man aside once the Nazi threat was done. I spit on your stupid insignificant island of gloBULL insanity.

87 posted on 08/28/2015 12:46:41 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Ohioan

I’m not talking about the duty of Government. I fully accept that it’s primary function is the protection and preservation of the people that elected it and the constitution that enabled it. I’m merely talking practicality. You have an illegal immigrant problem. Its a real and very significant problem. Building a 1900 mile mega wall is not the solution to that problem. It simply will not work.


88 posted on 08/28/2015 3:51:56 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: central_va
I'll try again.

British Prime Ministers are NOT elected. The British people did not "cast aside" Churchill. He retained his seat in parliament because he was (and still is) immensely popular. The party he was a part of was not. THEY were the ones that were "thrown out."

89 posted on 08/28/2015 4:01:44 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Whatever why did they throw out the Conservative Party in 1945? It was in the way of socialism. That’s why.


90 posted on 08/28/2015 5:06:59 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vanders9
It simply will not work.

If it will not work then who cares whether it gets built?

Getting advice from a European gloBULList, this is all we need. The wall, it hurts gloBULList feelings....


91 posted on 08/28/2015 5:11:12 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Why would you want to build something, at an enormous cost in money, time and political capital, if it wouldn't work? Wouldn't it be better to put your resources and effort into a solution that DID work?

Would you please stop the ad hominem attacks.

92 posted on 08/29/2015 3:36:26 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
The wall, alone, will not work. We need to find the will to again assert ourselves as a unique people. That means manning the wall. It means rediscovering the importance of ethnicity; of a sense of the importance of preserving our unique communities; of understanding that any people worth their "salt," as the saying goes, must have a multi-generational sense of purposeful continuity. We need to again recognize, both the moral & pragmatic significance of the Fifth Commandment.

The "Politically Correct," silence on the subject must end. Trump has already wounded the self-destructive & stifling mentality that is behind it. But we have to expose it as the lunacy that it is.

Your poet Kipling captured the vital spirit, that is needed to make anything really work, better than perhaps any other writer of his time.

93 posted on 08/29/2015 10:18:10 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan
Exactly correct - you put it much better than I did! When are people going to realise that power, in and of itself, is useless without the political and moral will to utilise it.

In the same way that there is no point in a wall with no-one to man it; what is the point of the largest and most technologically advanced military on the planet if the society that it represents and defends will never agree to use it? The progressives have been rotting the moral and cultural underpinnings of American society (and Western society generally) for decades. A frighteningly large proportion of US college graduates have been taught to despise and disparage their own country and culture almost reflexively. And most of the rest have been cowed into silence.

Its going to need more than a wall. Its going to need the will to build and maintain it and the society it protects. And I'm sorry, I just dont see that will anymore. Not outside Free Republic anyway.

94 posted on 08/29/2015 5:59:01 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: sand88; Vanders9
"Your attitude is disgusting and contemptible."

Bump, FU Vanders9

95 posted on 08/29/2015 6:12:57 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: Enlightened1
To those that say it (wall) can't be done, this one is over 2,000 years old and it is over 13,000 miles long


96 posted on 08/29/2015 6:20:17 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb
I didn't say it COULDN'T be done. I said it wouldn't work.

The great wall of China was primarily built to keep the Mongols out, a task it comprehensively failed to do. And do you know how the Mongols bypassed it? They just bribed the gatekeepers to open the doors. Simple as that. The Chinese government almost bankrupted their country building this immense wall, and then paid the guards peanuts.

As we have moved on in this discussion to consider, a great wall on the southern border will be useless without the political will to continually man it, and the sense of cultural identity and solidarity that makes the society that built it want to protect itself. The left has outflanked us. Their domination of academia and the media has left too many Americans questioning their very identity.

97 posted on 08/30/2015 1:32:33 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
Walls don't work? Very foolish statement easily proven incorrect. Israel being the most recent example of a nation using a wall to protect its' borders.

It is very disheartening to see the GOPe "no can do" attitude all the time around here.

98 posted on 08/30/2015 4:26:23 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: jpsb
Oh yes..Israel's wall. What a resounding success that has been.

http://www.vtjp.org/background/Separation_Wall_Report.htm And thats just one of the more neutral commentaries...

99 posted on 08/30/2015 7:15:04 AM PDT by Vanders9
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