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Graham: Trump's immigration plan is 'stupid' and 'illegal'
Politico ^ | 08/25/15 | Nick Gass

Posted on 08/25/2015 12:34:08 PM PDT by Enlightened1

Lindsey Graham excoriated Republican presidential rival Donald Trump on Tuesday morning for his immigration plan, calling it both “stupid” and “illegal.”

In an interview with “Fox & Friends,” Graham addressed Trump’s immigration proposal, which would call for the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, revoke birthright citizenship from the children of immigrants who came to the United States illegally and call for the construction of a wall along the United States’ 1,900-mile long border with Mexico.

“Well, Donald Trump’s plan on immigration is stupid,” the South Carolina senator said. “It’s illegal.”

If you try to deport American-born children of immigrants who came to the country illegally, “you’ll get creamed in court,” he added.

Most Hispanics, Graham remarked, find Trump offensive.

“I find him offensive,” he said. “His solution is just constitutionally flawed. It’s not practical.”

Graham also took aim at Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus who in an interview over the weekend said that Trump is a “net positive” for the party.

“I think that’s dumb, too,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: New York; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2016election; aliens; election2016; graham; illegal; lindseygraham; newyork; plan; southcarolina; trump
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To: central_va
Gratuitous insults too.

I looked up operation Wetback. It was an unmitigated PR disaster, and it ran into the problem that deported mexicans would just cross back over into the US again. What few successes it had were because the Mexican government (who largely initiated the program) were very supportative of it. That is not the case anymore, and it unlikely to be so for quite a few years.

61 posted on 08/27/2015 12:27:09 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Climb this!

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.djc.com%2Fstories%2Fimages%2F20081120%2FThirdRunway_big.jpg&f=1


62 posted on 08/27/2015 12:51:10 PM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: Vanders9

Trump: Big beautiful wall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmKpRdTc0g4


63 posted on 08/27/2015 12:53:20 PM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: Vanders9

One last thing..:)

Fire, the Wheel, electricy,radio, moving pictures,flight, Television, pace maker, space exploration Personal Computer....America’s Independence. Impossible?

Do you ever consider that here in America nearly every home has running water, electricy, many have central air. Most family have at least one car, A fridge, microwave, a tv, a laptop, smart phone. You can run to the store and 99.9% you will find whatever food item you want.

What seems almost impossible is that someone could live in the US of A , know even a speck of our history, would say a 1900 mile wall is impossible?

Yeah, sure it took China 500 years to build the Great Wall. The Great Wall is 10 time bigger than the US/Mexico border.
So, devide 10 into 500. Now, we are down to 50 years.

Okay, the Greatwall was build by hand.
In modern times we have huge machinery. Machinery they can cut down trees and carry them away. Bulldozers the size of a house. We also have Pre-fab.
Now our wall, 30 foot tall and 3 foot thick?, is taking maybe 5 years?

How much does it cost?
How much does it cost to put illegal invaders on American dole? How much does it cost in all the other “free” services. Healthcare and Schooling?
How much to put illegal alien criminal, who should not be here, in jail?
How much does it cost in lost jobs?

Impossible you say? I say you are impossible!


64 posted on 08/27/2015 1:50:28 PM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: Vanders9

Well, since we can’t stop them and can’t make them leave, then there’s nothing left to do but learn Spanish and embrace being North Mexico./s


65 posted on 08/27/2015 2:10:48 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Leep
By that logic, why didn't you just enforce a compulsory buy-out of all the slaves instead of fighting a civil war over it? After all, it would have been FAR less expensive in the long run, in lives, money and social cohesion.

And the answer is very simple. The cost of a buy out could be quantified, the cost of a war, couldnt. In the same way, the cost of a wall can be quantified. The cost of all the problems of illegal aliens (which I grant is probably far higher), isn't. In any case you would never be able to build a wall so strong it could not be breached. Anything built by man can be circumvented by man.

Not that it matters because the issue is not technical. I'm sure that if America put its mind to it it has the money and the skills to build a stupendous wall. The problem is whether the political will to do it exists, and I'm quite sure it doesnt. People on the southern border might think differently, but not in the country as a whole. The political fallout from such a project would be immense. America's enemies, domestic and foreign, would make capital on such a wall forever.

The sad part is that you go on about all the wonderful things America has created and all the wonderful things you enjoy, not realising that it is those very riches that attract all these illegals in the first place! If you really want to stop the flow of illegals, you have to address the disparity in wealth and opportunity that creates the pressure for people to enter illegally. Either you adopt the Barack Obama solution of making America a poorer and less attractive place to be, or the capitalist solution of making Mexico a more attractive place.

66 posted on 08/27/2015 2:20:11 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
America's enemies, domestic and foreign, would make capital on such a wall forever.

Silly European thinks we give a damn what they think. In an entire year I spend about 20 minutes thinking about Europe, most of that is Putin.

67 posted on 08/27/2015 2:22:51 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Or you could make them learn English and get them to embrace being Southern USA. That’s the traditional American solution to mass immigration. It worked with English, Irish, Germans, Poles, Scandinavians and even with African-Americans, before folk like Sharpton realised they could make a fast buck out of race-baiting. E Plurubus Unum my friend.


68 posted on 08/27/2015 2:23:46 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: central_va
LOL...more insults....

I KNOW you give a damn what we think. Americans OBSESS about what other people think.

No one is an island. No nation is either. If you think that world opinion counts for nothing to the US, you are utterly deluded.

69 posted on 08/27/2015 2:27:22 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Europe is a joke. Nobody here gives an F about it.


70 posted on 08/27/2015 2:32:17 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

yeh yeh. Try living in 2015 not 1823.


71 posted on 08/27/2015 2:43:05 PM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9

Seriously, with the exception of Russia which is technically Asia, nobody here cares about Europe. Really.


72 posted on 08/27/2015 2:45:30 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Vanders9

First let me say you are a bummer.

By that logic, Had we taken your advice we would have threw our hands up and said it was imposible to end slavery.
Likewise a wall.

“all the wonderful things you enjoy, not realising that it is those very riches that attract all these illegals in the first place!”

So, one of our biggest problems is we have to much? Are you a luddite?

“If you really want to stop the flow of illegals, you have to address the disparity in wealth and opportunity that creates the pressure for people to enter illegally... the capitalist solution of making Mexico a more attractive place.”
I would say the desarity is due to a corrupt government. Mexico can not even maintain a reliable train let alone compete with America. Still, not our problem. While America is still better than any place on earth we have our own ethical and financial mess staighten out. Although, we should be open to trade with Mexico.
And i genuinely wish the hard working honest Mexicans good luck.
Make Mexico Great!
Maybe some of them will come back legally in the not to distant future?


73 posted on 08/27/2015 3:01:36 PM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: Vanders9

EDIT: I have a hard time typing in a box.

First let me say you are a bummer.

By your logic, we should have thrown our hands in the air and said it was imposible to end slavery?
Likewise a wall.

“all the wonderful things you enjoy, not realising that it is those very riches that attract all these illegals in the first place!”

So, one of our biggest problems is we have to much? Are you a luddite?

“If you really want to stop the flow of illegals, you have to address the disparity in wealth and opportunity that creates the pressure for people to enter illegally... the capitalist solution of making Mexico a more attractive place.”

I would say the desparity is due to a corrupt government. Mexico can’t maintain a reliable train let alone compete with America.
Still, not our problem.

While America is still better than any place on earth we have our own ethical and financial mess staighten out. Although, we should be open to trade with Mexico.

I genuinely wish the hard working honest Mexicans good luck.
Make Mexico Great!
Maybe some of them will come back legally in the not to distant future?

As is often repeated around here. NOONE HERE IS AGAINST LEGAL IMMAGRATION.


74 posted on 08/27/2015 3:11:39 PM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: Enlightened1

Linda had got her panties in a wad.


75 posted on 08/27/2015 4:29:45 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: Leep
As is often repeated around here. NOONE HERE IS AGAINST LEGAL IMMAGRATION.

I personally think there has been to much legal immigration. We need to stop all immigration for at least 20 years and sort out what we got.

76 posted on 08/27/2015 5:45:11 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

We definitely need to control the process.
Leave in a Einstien or a Bob Hope once in awhile.


77 posted on 08/27/2015 5:52:29 PM PDT by Leep (Cut the crap!)
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To: central_va

Given the current birth rate of the indigenous population, I dont think you can afford to.


78 posted on 08/28/2015 8:33:08 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Leep
You are putting words in my mouth.

So, one of our biggest problems is we have to much? Are you a luddite?

Its not a problem that you have so much, (or at least, its a very nice problem to have), its just that one of the minor consequences of that happy state of affairs is a positive attraction to the have-nots of the world.

I would say the desparity is due to a corrupt government. Mexico can’t maintain a reliable train let alone compete with America. Still, not our problem.

I would agree, but although its Mexico's problem, they are making it your problem - because their citizens are flooding into the USA in response.

79 posted on 08/28/2015 8:38:09 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
If the social economic pressure of unmitigated immigration is abetted the ingenious population birth rate will return to above replacement level.

Again another insipid post from a citizen of a has been European (failed) state.

Your ancestors threw out Churchill after the war, immediacy. How f-ing stupid are the British people?

80 posted on 08/28/2015 8:55:21 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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