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Abortion and Down Syndrome [Zot!]
New York Times ^ | 8/25/15 | Editorial Board

Posted on 08/25/2015 10:31:30 AM PDT by Bluewater2015

It is tempting to dismiss the latest anti-choice salvo from Ohio lawmakers, which would criminalize abortions based on a fetal diagnosis of Down syndrome, as a blatantly unconstitutional ploy that would never be enforced.

That would be a mistake. The bill stands a disturbingly good chance of approval this fall by the state’s Republican-controlled legislature

A similar bill passed in North Dakota in 2013 bans abortions on the grounds of fetal genetic anomalies, including Down syndrome. The law has not yet been enforced — under existing Supreme Court precedent it is hard to see how it could be — but as with so many restrictions on a woman’s right to choose, that is not the only measure of its power. In fact, a significant majority of women who receive a fetal diagnosis of Down syndrome choose to abort their pregnancy. A smaller percentage choose to carry the fetus to term. In both cases, it is a personal decision.

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I'm no fan of abortion, or the New York Times. But this is over the top. Only a small percentage of abortions are due to severe fetal abnormalities, and this is the one ground for abortion that most Americans agree on. Forcing these pregnancies to come to term would place innumerable hardship on families, and the children themselves. And I've got my asbestos underwear on for the inevitable responses.
1 posted on 08/25/2015 10:31:30 AM PDT by Bluewater2015
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To: Bluewater2015

Listen to your hate. The only place I see Downs syndrome people is at Catholic Mass.

I guess the Protestants abort their Downs babies.


2 posted on 08/25/2015 10:37:47 AM PDT by BarbM (Portuguese Dog Kenyan President)
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To: Bluewater2015

I’m afraid that you’re going to get hammered.

OK, I’ll start.

An estimated 92% of children with Downs Syndrome are aborted. Mostly it’s due to the convenience factor as parents want “the perfect child.”

Some friends of ours adopted a Downs Syndrome baby from Eastern Europe a few years ago. Sure, she’s got her problems. She’s profoundly affected by it.

They think so much about these kids in the former Soviet Union that if they don’t get adopted by five, they get put in a warehouse until they die. Probably a year or two.

That sounds pathetic, but we’re not far behind. 92% is unforgivable. The pure selfishness of that act is amazing.


3 posted on 08/25/2015 10:40:50 AM PDT by cyclotic
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To: cyclotic

92% is unforgivable


It’s pretty hard to get 92 percent of Americans to agree on anything. After all, if there are 100 people at a party, and 92 of them tell the other 8 they are drunk, maybe those 8 people should have some coffee and lay down for a while.


4 posted on 08/25/2015 10:42:58 AM PDT by Bluewater2015 (There are no coincidences)
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To: Bluewater2015

Do you need a translation?

5 posted on 08/25/2015 10:44:27 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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Well, our friends who adopted are evangelicals and they bring her to their church. We’ve got several kids with Down’s or similar maladies at our small church, so much so that they have a special Sunday School class for them.

Your argument would be wrong


6 posted on 08/25/2015 10:44:46 AM PDT by cyclotic
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To: NorthMountain

No. I can read it OK. But 60,000 RM for a booklet? Must have been in Weimar money.


7 posted on 08/25/2015 10:45:50 AM PDT by Bluewater2015 (There are no coincidences)
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To: Bluewater2015

BTW, for some odd reason I suspect that you tenure here may be soon to end ...


8 posted on 08/25/2015 10:46:07 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Bluewater2015
Clearly, you can't read it.

If you could, though, you'd find the authors agreeing with you.

Nice company you keep, Josef.

9 posted on 08/25/2015 10:47:26 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Bluewater2015

OK, I just looked up another article. The 92% was based on a study of Europeans, not US. The best US numbers that this new study found was well north of 60%, which is still selfish and too high.

https://www.lozierinstitute.org/new-study-abortion-after-prenatal-diagnosis-of-down-syndrome-reduces-down-syndrome-community-by-thirty-percent/


10 posted on 08/25/2015 10:50:17 AM PDT by cyclotic
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To: NorthMountain

BTW, for some odd reason I suspect that you tenure here may be soon to end ...


You wouldn’t think so if you’ve read my posts on same-sex “marriage.” That’s a real affront.


11 posted on 08/25/2015 10:52:36 AM PDT by Bluewater2015 (There are no coincidences)
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To: Bluewater2015
So ... you're perfectly OK with killing "imperfect" people ... because they cost too much.

Nice.

12 posted on 08/25/2015 10:59:26 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: Bluewater2015
and this is the one ground for abortion that most Americans agree on. Forcing these pregnancies to come to term would place innumerable hardship on families, and the children themselves.

I feel sorry for anyone you seem to care about.

13 posted on 08/25/2015 11:02:40 AM PDT by Slyfox (If I'm ever accused of being a Christian, I'd like there to be enough evidence to convict me)
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To: cyclotic

Supposedly there are less than 200,000 little people living in the US today. I’ve seen places claim the abortion rate for them is around 90%.

FReegards


14 posted on 08/25/2015 11:11:29 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Bluewater2015

Regardless of one’s stance on abortion, it does seem kind of ridiculous that you can kill a perfectly healthy baby for whatever reason you want, but an unhealthy one is protected. Why don’t the healthy babies deserve the same protection?

2nd, if that 90% Down babies are aborted number is true, and pro-lifers/pro-choicers are 50/50 of the population then that means there’s a whole lot of pro-lifers that are changing their tune once once they find out it’s their baby who is as they put it “is less than perfect”.


15 posted on 08/25/2015 11:13:20 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Bluewater2015

Your German is clearly even worse than mine. Let me help:

“60,000 RM — [that’s what] this hereditary sick person costs the people’s community. Citizens! This is also your money! Read ‘Neues Volk’ — the monthly magazine of the racial policy office of the NSDAP”


16 posted on 08/25/2015 11:41:59 AM PDT by Campion
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To: BarbM

No. Protestant here. Did not. So shut your piehole until you get some decency on your face.

BIL & SIL are Catholic. I don’t want to be like them. Thanks, but no thanks. Believe me, she would SIG HEIL & flush a Down’s baby in a NY minute in my opinion. She’s one cold Kraut heifer.

I’m 69. Life’s hard. Then you die. MARANATHA! (I’ve one miscarried baby, one Downs baby & one 49 yr. old “normal” son). The two deceased babies; I’ll see them again!


17 posted on 08/25/2015 12:21:18 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Bluewater2015

“anti-choice...”
Whenever you read this made-up Newspeak term, run. (BTW, you make some reasonable points.)


18 posted on 08/25/2015 12:35:52 PM PDT by Demiurge2 (Define your terms!)
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” ... there’s a whole lot of pro-lifers that are changing their tune once once they find out it’s their baby who is as they put it ‘is less than perfect’.”

Sadly, that seems to be true.

19 posted on 08/25/2015 1:52:53 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: BarbM

“The only place I see Downs syndrome people is at Catholic Mass.”

There are regulars who come to our local YMCA.

There is nothing wrong with them that deserves a death sentence.


20 posted on 08/26/2015 7:15:22 AM PDT by AMDG&BVMH
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