Posted on 08/24/2015 11:38:10 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
Genetic changes stemming from the trauma suffered by Holocaust survivors are capable of being passed on to their children, the clearest sign yet that one person’s life experience can affect subsequent generations.
The conclusion from a research team at New York’s Mount Sinai hospital led by Rachel Yehuda stems from the genetic study of 32 Jewish men and women who had either been interned in a Nazi concentration camp, witnessed or experienced torture or who had had to hide during the second world war.
They also analysed the genes of their children, who are known to have increased likelihood of stress disorders, and compared the results with Jewish families who were living outside of Europe during the war. “The gene changes in the children could only be attributed to Holocaust exposure in the parents,” said Yehuda.
(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...
The human condition any way you slice it fairly REEKS with failure. - I’m the child of an Allied soldier who marched through Germany & liberated the camps - after slogging through North Africa, Italy & half a world, faced with either killing or being killed every step of the way. Talk about battle fatigue (none of the sissy PTSD in his vocabulary). My final decision? I’m done. MARANATHA!!!
Lysenko lives!
Reparations!
Just paving the way for reparation demands from the n-th generation down the line. Can Al Sharpton be far behind...? Or, rather, may that not be the true aim of this “study”?
There are too many self-selecting variations in populations to do such a study within a "similar population profile." The only incontrovertible way to study such a hypothesis is through genetic testing of individuals before and after long duration stress. Also, if such a mechanism exists in humans then it should also exist in other mammals. So subscribers of this hypothesis need to get busy on rabbits and lower primates before moving on to higher primates if they are ever going to make a case. It would also make sense to take genetic samples from individuals throughout war-torn regions of the world, go back in ten years and attempt to categorize the levels of stress experienced by study subjects in the intervening years, and then make genetic comparisons between their genetic profiles before and after the stressful periods.
Unless a specific gene can be shown to have changed in an adult during their lifetime and that specific change demonstrated to have been passed on to offspring, this entire theory is baloney.
The cruel white gene mutation is preventing you from sympathizing with the victims.
You got that right.
It won’t be long before: “Past enslavement of blacks ruined the lives of every future generation of blacks in America”.
Me neither. At least not that there is evidence in the genes.
Do I believe the children could be directly and adversely affected by their parents trauma?
Sure I do. But from the environment they live with.
Do not believe this for one minute!
Shabby science.
Correlation is not causation.
From the article:
"Researchers have already shown that certain fears might be inherited through generations, at least in animals.
Scientists at Emory University in Atlanta trained male mice to fear the smell of cherry blossom by pairing the smell with a small electric shock. Eventually the mice shuddered at the smell even when it was delivered on its own.
Despite never having encountered the smell of cherry blossom, the offspring of these mice had the same fearful response to the smell - shuddering when they came in contact with it. So too did some of their own offspring.
On the other hand, offspring of mice that had been conditioned to fear another smell, or mice who’d had no such conditioning had no fear of cherry blossom.
The fearful mice produced sperm which had fewer epigenetic tags on the gene responsible for producing receptors that sense cherry blossom. The pups themselves had an increased number of cherry blossom smell receptors in their brain, although how this led to them associating the smell with fear is still a mystery."
You know; this brings up a very good point that I once read about. The point was that children usually learn what they live.
I don’t know.
Keep in mind tho that even if genes can’t actually be changed through things like stress (it seems that they can), the genes of the children and descendents of slaves were certainly modified through things like selective and forced breeding, rape by owners/overseers, etc.
Note, that doesn’t equate to some sort of entitlement based on genetics, since just about EVERY group that came here to the US did so in whole or part as a result of some sort of oppressive and coercive means. For example, are the children/descendents of African slaves entitled to some sort of “genetic stress” compensation different than say Irish Americans. Who in large part came here as a result of a policy of deliberate starvation and then kept, if not in a state of indentured servitude, then certainly forcable underclass existance?
No, I didn’t read the full story. But gene changes as a result of certain behaviors strikes me as being absurd. Of course, mutations can occur, but as a rule unless something affects survival directly, it will be neither more nor less common in the genes of the next generation than without the event(s) occurring.
I’m fine with reparations if part of the deal is that anyone who takes some reparations $$ also is “repatriated” back to their “homeland”, wherever they came from before being forcefully immigrated here 150 years ago, and giving up all rights to immigrate back here ever again. I figure anyone who would pursue this is a good candidate to have exported from our country and it would be worth a $$ settlement in saved welfare $$, crime, inner city deterioration, etc. Anyone who is a loyal U.S. citizen and thankful to be here would not go that route.
Also, take a look at #26. I didn’t write it, but I concur
“No, I didn’t read the full story.”
Stopped reading your post right there.
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