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Crew on Paris-bound train barricaded themselves in their staffroom..locked the door as Kalashnikov
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3206426/U-S-Marines-armed-gunman-onboard-high-speed-train-Amsterdam-Paris.html ^

Posted on 08/22/2015 9:57:31 AM PDT by traumer

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To: Alter Kaker

I saw a documentary on this accident in 1988 where 59 were killed, because of a crew error in resetting the brakes that resulted in the brakes not working, and plowing into another train at Gare de Lyon station.

And that was a suburban train, imagine what a high-speed train could do.

Although I suspect that these days a train could be stopped remotely if need be as long as the brakes are working.


61 posted on 08/22/2015 11:01:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Alter Kaker

On 9/11 the cockpit doors weren’t locked. The pilots didn’t come out to stop the terrorists. The terrorists went into the cockpit.

And in this situation, not all of the crew needed to run behind locked doors. Lock the door to the engine room? Sure. But the crew ran into the crew work station and left the passengers alone to fend for themselves.

Cowards.


62 posted on 08/22/2015 11:01:45 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

And Sandler was also black, they were friends traveling to broaden their world view, according to his father, who said, “You pray that God takes care of them, when they are not with you.”

The air man said, “Alex, go!” And Alex, who had recently served in Afganistan as an Oregon Reservist ran 30 meters to where the attacker was, was the first there and was cut with a box cutter.”

They cleared his weapon and beat him unconscious. The gunman kept saying, “Give me back my gun, give me back my gun.”

He said he found the fun in a park in Belgium. He is associated with the attack last year in Belgium shortly after the Charlie Hebdo massacre. He had been in Syria training with Issis.

The authorities say it is premature to ascribe a motive to the attacker.


63 posted on 08/22/2015 11:07:13 AM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“Stone was Air force. Skarlatos was National Guard and Sandler was a college student.”

To Frenchmen, all Americans seem like Marines.


64 posted on 08/22/2015 11:18:13 AM PDT by PLMerite ("The issue is never the issue. The issue is the Revolution.")
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To: billyboy15

When you cut off power - will the train go to FAIL-SAFE made and engage breaks?
Or just become uncontrollable?


65 posted on 08/22/2015 11:21:42 AM PDT by traumer
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To: Teacher317
This quote could be applied to many points in time in history.

We can say it applies at least twice in 20th Century French History, anyway.

66 posted on 08/22/2015 11:25:05 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: traumer

I read that the US guys heard the terrorist cycling his rifle from the bathroom....and figured out what was about to go down...(the terrorist)


67 posted on 08/22/2015 11:25:28 AM PDT by spokeshave (If an illegal alien is undocumented immigrant a drug dealer is an unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: Alter Kaker
Let's be realistic.

The engineer most likely could have barricaded himself in and powered the train down by himself, preventing the terrorist from commandeering it and driving it through a terminal. He didn't need all his coworkers cowering beside him.

The other train employees - instead of fleeing like cowards to hide with the engineer - probably had jobs to do like the engineer did.

Their job was to likely barricade the cars ahead of or behind the terrorist, and to help passengers in his path evacuate to a barricaded car, as well as to be on hand to assist passengers in exiting the train and fleeing to safety if the engineer stopped the train.

I guarantee you the French rail ministry and industry have rules and procedures for dealing with terrorist incidents, and I am pretty sure these employees abandoned their posts and ignored their training.

Good thing they're union.

68 posted on 08/22/2015 11:28:54 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: traumer
Here is a link you will so enjoy.

http://serendipity.ruwenzori.net/index.php/2008/09/21/american-troops-in-afghanistan-through-the-eyes-of-a-french-omlt-infantryman

69 posted on 08/22/2015 11:30:46 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Secret Agent Man
They should protect the passengers by telling them to evacuate and then locking the traincar door behind them, to trap the terrorist.

The Americans who stopped him were also unarmed - they were able to do something other than hide despite having no weapons.

70 posted on 08/22/2015 11:37:00 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Marines will not need to pay for drinks at any French Bars for a while.


71 posted on 08/22/2015 11:38:03 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: dfwgator

I remember an old cartoon from the 1960s in which De Gaulle is standing in front of an American Cemetery in France and says...”Why do you Americans always stay where you are not wanted!”


72 posted on 08/22/2015 11:41:08 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Never trust anyone who promotes "sensible" gun control laws!)
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To: Chgogal

Great link and read - thanks!


73 posted on 08/22/2015 11:42:30 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: traumer
Link please! : )
74 posted on 08/22/2015 11:42:40 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: traumer

Seems as if when power is interrupted the software ought to provide for a controlled slowdown.


75 posted on 08/22/2015 11:43:21 AM PDT by billyboy15
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To: Teacher317

“But seriously, how pathetic do you need to be...”

Just spit diet coke all over my tablet. Indeed, how pathetic, ROFL!


76 posted on 08/22/2015 11:46:17 AM PDT by wildwoodla
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To: Chgogal

link to this?
Anglade said. “We were incredibly lucky to have American soldiers with us. I pay homage to their heroic courage and thank them. Without them, we all would be dead.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/22/french-train-gunman-syria-known-intelligence-services


77 posted on 08/22/2015 11:51:42 AM PDT by traumer
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To: Alter Kaker

I believe I read that the staff ran and locked themselves in the “staff” cabin.

The engineer is another story, but I think the story will reveal the staff, conductors to kitchen help, panicked and ran.

To heck with mounting an effective defense. . .run and hide, even after the charlie hebdo slaughter (which should have been THEIR 911 event). . .but Americans, and one Brit I heard, stood tall and bravely acted.

That is the point, I think.


78 posted on 08/22/2015 11:52:09 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: traumer

The French are sheep. Americans are sheepdogs.


79 posted on 08/22/2015 11:52:23 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I was there a few months ago, it truly is an overwhelming experience to see all of those grave markers so perfectly arranged.


80 posted on 08/22/2015 11:53:28 AM PDT by dfwgator
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