Posted on 08/13/2015 9:59:41 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
Oh, and very revealing how you laughed at Rush and called him names. If you hadn’t sufficiently outed yourself as a leftist in the past, today would get the job done.
“What you have mentioned are CRIMES not civil suit evidence. Alleged crimes are dealt with in the criminal justice system via a law enforcement investigation, a grand jury investigation, indictments and a criminal trial.”
You would have the readers here believe that trial by jury is reserved only for the Rules of Criminal Procedure, which is a false and deceptive misrepresentation of the facts. The Seventh Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America mandates the right of trial by jury regardless of whether the case is subject to the Rules of Criminal Procedure or the Rules of Civil Procedure. The same Seventh Amendment to the U.S. Constitution also mandates the right to trial by jury whether it the court of law is a Federal or a State court. Rule 38 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure provides for the right in cases involving more than twenty dollars and describes elsewise what does and does not justify the right to trail by jury. Some of the court hearings were administrative in nature and did not invoke the right to trial by jury. However, even those cases in which a trial by jury was authorized by constitutional law, the Federal and State courts arguably an arbitrarily dismissed the cases improperly and perhaps unlawfully.
“The state of Hawaii has said on eight separate occasions that it has Barack Obama’s ORIGINAL Certificate of Live Birth on file. it would have been good if someone had ever called their bluff. A judge’s court order or a congressional subpoena were the way to do that.”
It has been tried in a number of ways by a number of parties. Wolf v. Fuddy, No. 1CC11-1-002276 (Haw. 1st Cir. Ct. Sept. 30, 2011) for example was dismissed like so many other cases with the judge using arguably illegitimate legal excuses. The Maricopa County, Arizona, Sheriff’s Department undertook an ostensibly lawful criminal investigation which was arguably met with actions amounting to obstruction of justice by the Hawaii Department of Health and then aided and abetted by the Hawaiian courts.
“Here’s one of the eight:”
Governor Linda Lingle (R-HI) acted with obvious incompetence and was associated with McCain, who was also ineligible and a participant in the unconstitutional acts.
Actually I was laughing and making fun of you.
Your reliance on foreign sources when you could just as easily have gone to the American source is telling.
There has been no difference between rightist courts and leftist courts on this [non] issue.
Rush is a foreign source, according to you.
I can see where a leftist would consider him such.
You’ve already established your leftist cred; no need to go overboard.
From a conservative POV, the entire US court system has lurched left.
From your POV, this hasn’t happened. As I said, your leftism is not in question, so no need to reaffirm it with every post.
control the law schools control the judicial minds.
What I was suggesting was ONLY that I would like a jury panel composed of citizens to be able to take a look at the evidnce. Over the last seven years, that has never happened. No Grand Juries and no trials by jury.
Bill Montgomery, the County Attorney in Maricopa County, Arizona, where the Cold Case Posse has operated would have been ideal but he has said that there wasn’t sufficient evidence for him to convene a Grand Jury but if new evidence was ever uncovered, he was willing to get involved.
In 2012, County Attorney Montgomery wrote the following letter to Brian Reilly of the Surprise, Arizona Tea Party, the man who convinced Sheriif Arpaio to convene a Cold Case Posse on Obama’s eligibility:
Dear Mr. Reilly,
Thank you for taking the time to write and for the concerns you have expressed. There are a couple of points of analysis, though, in determining whether a criminal charge can be filed, regardless of the charge or who the suspect might be. The first is whether I have jurisdiction over the case. That requires that some conduct had to have occurred in Maricopa County for me to have jurisdiction. From the Sheriff’s Office investigation into suspect documents produced by the White House to date, that investigation has not revealed any evidence that conduct occurred in Maricopa County. I have discussed this with the Sheriff. As for any issues regarding qualifications or information provided regarding the Presidential Election itself, that is a statewide election. Under Arizona law, the Secretary of State and the Attorney General have jurisdiction over statewide elections. I do not.
I will share with you, as well, that the criminal statute you cited in your message requires additional evidence that the MCSO investigation to date has not uncovered. Specifically, we would need evidence to affirmatively prove that Mr. Obama is not a US citizen. To date, there has been evidence presented leading to speculation that documents have been forged and other documents do not exist. That alone, though, is not sufficient evidence to present to a grand jury and actually have a reasonable likelihood of conviction. I cannot speak for other prosecutors at the state level around the rest of the country or for prosecutors at the federal level but Arizona’s ethics rules do not permit prosecutors to file a charge they can only hope to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt at a later stage.
I stand ready and willing, however, to review any case submitted for charges and, if the evidence is there, I will prosecute regardless of who the suspect/defendant may be.
Sincerely,
Bill Montgomery
Maricopa County Attorney
http://www.obamareleaseyourrecords.com/2013/05/maricopa-county-attorneys-office-reply.html
There is real truth in that. However, we’re up against far more than leftist-oriented law schools. Even if a student makes it through law school as a conservative, the liberal pressure continues.
For example, take the media. If ever a high profile ruling went against Obama, the MSM would go into nonstop hysterics mode. The least horrible thing the judge would be called is racist. After several mos of nonstop abuse the judge, not to mention his/her family, would probably wish he/she hadn’t been born.
It’s a hard climate for conservatives. And the very liberals who have made it that way never tire of rubbing our noses in the consequences.
There aren’t any examples of Justices Scalia, Thomas or Alito ruling in favor of an Obama policy initiative.
Alito and Thomas graduated from Yale Law school and Scalia graduated from Harvard Law.
They are three of the most conservative justices to ever sit on the Supreme Court.
Here is the source you cite:
Do you see the .co.uk in the address that is a country code for the United Kingdom.
What’s next for you citing websites with .ru in their address.
One of the many reasons that I have favored a congressional investigation to get to the bottom of the eligibility question is because of congressional subpoena power which we see in its full glory regarding Hillary Clinton’s email server.
The law of the land, 2 U.S.C. Section 194 provides that “every person who having been summoned as a witness by the authority of either House of Congress to give testimony or to produce papers upon any matter under inquiry before either House, or any Joint Committee established by a joint or concurrent resolution of two Houses of Congress, or any committee of either House of Congress, willfully makes default, or who, having appeared, refuses to answer any question pertinent to the question under inquiry, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of not more than $1000 nor less than $100 and imprisonment in a common jail for not less than one month nor more than 12 months.”
It would be great to have a congressional Committee chairperson subpoena the original vault copy birth certificate and have Hawaii Department of Health officials testify under oath on the release of copies of that document to Barack Obama.
Sorry TROLL. With post #196 you revealed your agenda on this site with crystal clarity. (Though it’s not as if it hasn’t been clear for years. It has been—and you’ve been called on it repeatedly.) You are here to “demoralize conservatives”—or at least to attempt to.
You said this, not me. I.e.: you said the # of times the courts have failed to hold Obama accountable is demoralizing to conservatives. Yet YOU are the one that harps never-endingly on the subject. You have posted your obot #s thousands of times.
Now, thanks to you, there is no longer the slightest question. You do it in a sick and perverted effort to demoralize conservatives. You have used JR’s site to undermine conservative moral. It is a scummy, sleazy tactic. It is beneath contempt.
I cited only one source: Rush Limbaugh.
And you have been going moonbat crazy ever since. Is it a bad case of Rush Derangement Syndrome, or what? I get that he’s a conservative and you aren’t, but for goodness sake, get a hold of yourself. Coming unglued doesn’t help anything. Take a second look at my post. I clearly cite my source—and it’s El Rushbo.
At this writing, it is perfectly allowable for FR posters to cite Rush. I.e.: I’ve broken no rules. If you want to try to change that, knock yourself out. Write to the owner of the site. Explain that Rush is a globalist who makes you laugh. Rip into the sources Rush uses, and explain how they don’t meet your standards. Request that in the future posters be prohibited from citing Rush.
And by all means let us know how it goes.
If you still can.
The birtherbot’s but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets their hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing.
This from the TROLL who admits his NEVER-ENDING repetition of the number of cases Obama has won and the American people have lost is DESIGNED to demoralize conservatives.
I have rarely seen conservatives more enthusiastic and active to take over the White House in 2017 after having put more Republicans in the House in 2014 than at any time since 1928 and taking control of the Senate.
The Republicans control 68 out of 98 partisan state legislative chambers, the highest number in the history of the party and there are 31 states with Republican Governors compared to only 18 Democrats.
The only conservative who is “demoralized” is Fantasywriter.
This is an example of the kind of post I used to think was stupid by design. Now I know it’s the best you can do.
Oh well. I attempted to cheer you up from your discouragement. At least I tried.
Your last two posts: dumb and dumber.
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