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Russia calls for military tribunal on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
United Press International ^ | August 6, 2015 | Jared M. Feldschreiber

Posted on 08/07/2015 12:22:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

MOSCOW, Aug. 5 (UPI) -- An international military tribunal should be formed to examine the 1945 atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Russian officials suggested at a roundtable discussion at Moscow State University.

State Duma Speaker Sergei Naryshkin said historians and military science specialists have long argued whether nuclear weapons should ever be allowed in war. A tribunal would examine international law as it relates to wartime practices.

In May, Naryshkin labeled the bombings in Japan at the end of World War II a "crime against humanity, which still has not been correctly assessed." At the time, he was speaking at the annual Russian-Japanese Forum in Tokyo.

"Many funeral and memorial events will be held in Japan in the beginning of August, which would be 70 years after these barbaric and inhumane bombings took place. We in Russia will grieve along with our Japanese friends," Naryshkin said then.

At Wednesday's discussion, the Russian Foreign Ministry distributed a copy of a special report from employees of the Soviet Embassy to Japan after visiting the two sites in 1945. Officials said the document is being published for the first time.

The report describes the scene: "It was raining heavily on the day the team arrived in Hiroshima. The train station and the town were obliterated with no cover against the rain."

Citing witnesses to the blast, the report said, "A huge explosion followed a flare-up, and many people were subsequently burned to death."

On the radioactive impact on people, the report, quoting a doctor named Fukuhara, said some saw their white blood cell count plummet and bled from the nose and eyes. Some died three to four days after exposure.

In Nagasaki, the Soviet team noted, there were no survivors around ground zero. A witness said a child who had climbed a tree and was covered by thick layers of leaves did not die, while a child nearby on the ground did.

"Society's interest in this issue is very keen. I would propose that this document be posted on the Russian Historical Society's web site in the near future, even today," Naryshkin said Wednesday.

"The Foreign Ministry leadership has decided to make a copy of this report, which has never been published before, even in Russian academic publications. In our view, it deserves to be published in the run-up to this anniversary," said Alexander Ilyshev-Vvedensky, head of the Japanese division within the Russian Foreign Ministry's Third Asia Department.

The atomic bombs dropped by the United States on the two Japanese cities killed at least 130,000 people. The bombings were the only time in the history of warfare that nuclear weapons were used.

Residents in Hiroshima were preparing to mark the somber 70-year anniversary of the bombings this week. Dozens of people also lit candles outside the Japanese Embassy in Moscow to commemorate the thousands of victims lost.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Japan; Russia
KEYWORDS: hiroshima; nagasaki; russia; truman
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To: I want the USA back

What do you think reparations are about? Actions of people 150+ years ago.


41 posted on 08/07/2015 1:02:12 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OK then, how about a tribunal about Stalin’s gulags?


42 posted on 08/07/2015 1:03:09 PM PDT by beethovenfan (Islam is a cancer on civilization.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

More people were killed in the fire bombings of Tokyo than by the two atomic bombs so why not have a tribune on fire bombings? This is just another ploy by Putin to further humiliate a weak United States and its freckles leader.


43 posted on 08/07/2015 1:04:46 PM PDT by The Great RJ (“Socialists are happy until they run out of other people's money.” Margaret Thatcher)
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To: brownsfan

——The only thing Obama likes more than race pimping is proving that America is evil.——

Dat true...


44 posted on 08/07/2015 1:15:22 PM PDT by Popman (Christ Alone: My Cornerstone...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe your right but Obama will probably agree, that it was all our fault from the very beginning.


45 posted on 08/07/2015 1:36:11 PM PDT by WHBates
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To: scooby321
The man calling for the tribunal is a blue blood diletante and does not speak for everyone in Russia-

Born in Leningrad in one of the oldest families from Russia, which are Princes Naryshkin, Sergei Ivanovich Naryshkin graduated from Leningrad Institute of Mechanics with a degree in engineering in 1978. In the 1990s he also graduated from International Management Institute of Saint Petersburg with a degree in economics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Naryshkin

46 posted on 08/07/2015 1:36:59 PM PDT by x_plus_one
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Really?...How about a tribunal to investigate Lenin and Stalin! FU Russia!


47 posted on 08/07/2015 1:37:02 PM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure, Russkies—after you explain what happened to a few million German POWs you captured in WW2.

You guys are still made that Japan surrendered before you could invade and take MORE of other people’s land.


48 posted on 08/07/2015 1:38:20 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: exit82

Previous post: “made” = “mad”


49 posted on 08/07/2015 1:38:56 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Yes, and an international tribunal should be held to investigate the Murder of The Tzar and his whole family by Russian Communists.


50 posted on 08/07/2015 1:50:39 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is just current Russian tactics for their internal propaganda. They constantly say these dumb and outrageous things to turn the whole public discussion into stupid mockery.

The end result they want to achieve is to make Russians believe that everything is a lie, there is no truth and as Russians they must pick and fight for “Putin’s patriotic lie”

Boris Schumatsky wrote about it here - http://schumatsky.de/Russia-is-a-lie.htm

“The greatest difficulty in dealing with Russia is this: Russia lies. This blanket assertion sounds like a slogan from the Cold War, and yet it’s the only one that does justice to reality.” (continues at the link)


51 posted on 08/07/2015 2:01:55 PM PDT by Krosan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Right after we have one on the Holdomor.


52 posted on 08/07/2015 2:02:45 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“Okay Putin lovers, lets see you explain this away.”

Well, if Putin didn’t call for it, you can be sure that Obama would.


53 posted on 08/07/2015 2:10:50 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats are parasites. It really is that simple.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How about this? Given Russia’s assistance of Iran’s nuclear programs one hour after the world learns that Iran has a nuclear bomb St. Petersburg disappears. One hour after Iran uses a nuclear bomb Moscow becomes a smoking crater.

Fair enough?


54 posted on 08/07/2015 2:11:47 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberal dunderheads exist in the CCCP too.
The only problem with dropping those 2 bombs is they didn’t drop a bakers dozen in Russia.
F-ing Stalin was worse than Hitler.


55 posted on 08/07/2015 2:33:44 PM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I posted the comment below on Homer_J_Simpson's World War 2 Thread this morning. It looks like the Russians haven't gotten over their disappointment.

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Dropping the Bombs to Intimidate Russia

Among the communist or communist-sympathizing left in the United States, there are certain “truths” that are religiously clung to; Saccho and Vanzetti and the Rosenbergs were innocent, socialized medicine is the wave of the future, and my favorite, the United States dropped the atomic bombs on Japan only to intimidate Russia. The leading American proponent of this argument was a pseudo-historian Gar Alperovitz, a communist professor of history at the University of Maryland. He has written a few books on the subject: The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb and Atomic Diplomacy; Hiroshima and Potsdam. Alperovitz should receive his award as Hero of the Soviet Union, except that his beloved USSR no longer exists. His books are filled with distortions and half-truths to promote an agenda.

The essentials of this theory are this: Japan was ready to surrender, and would have done so in the very near future. The use of the bombs was not necessary in the purely military sense against Japan, so there must have been another motive. That motive was to intimidate the USSR in the post-war world. This was entirely the creation or fault of the Truman administration. Before Potsdam, we were looking at a wonderfully peaceful world where the USSR would be a fully cooperative member of the world community, and peacefully rebuild after the war. Instead, Truman deliberately concealed the existence of the atomic bombs, used them to intimidate the USSR, and then proceeded to launch the Cold War by going down a policy path that was inimical to the USSR. As a result, the USSR could not peaceably rebuild, but instead her citizens suffered privation from having to create a military power structure to defend itself against American aggression.

When looking at the historical record of Stalin’s policies in Eastern Europe starting in 1944, it’s patently obvious this theory is bunk. Where would such an idea come from? Well, for an American communist history professor, the answer is pretty obvious. He is parroting the Party Line, the official dogma he was given by his communist masters in Moscow. And that’s because there is a very simple reason the Soviets came up with the theory that the bomb was intended to intimidate them.

It’s because that’s exactly what it did.

The best source of this observation was in Alexander Werth’s book Russia At War, originally published in 1963. Werth was a British citizen who was born in St. Petersburg, and then returned to the USSR as a correspondent for the Sunday Times and the BBC. Werth was a British socialist and true lefty, no doubt about it. And for that, during the war the Soviets gave him access most other western journalists could only dream of. His book is well worth the read, although like Shirer’s Collapse of the Third Republic you have to cut through the leftist slant to get to the historical nuggets. And Werth’s book has plenty of them. The last chapter of Russia At War deals with the end of the war, the “Summer of Peace” in 1945 between the fall of Berlin and the invasion of Manchuria, and most of all, The Bomb.

First I should offer a little bit of background information here gained from Werth’s book. One thing that surprised me when I first read it was how much emphasis Werth put on public opinion in the USSR; the beliefs and opinions of the “ordinary Russian.” By this, I don’t mean the average peasant starving on the kolkhoz. That guy didn’t mean jack and Werth didn’t rub shoulders with him. I’m talking about the intelligentsia in the major cities. Those were the Russians Werth dealt with, and whose opinions Werth recorded. We all think of Stalin’s USSR as a giant ant hill/slave labor camp where the masters had the whips and the people were slaves. It pretty much was like that, but the Party cared a lot about the opinions of the educated citizenry in the cities. That’s why propaganda was so important. That’s why they worked so hard to shape those opinions.

So what was the general mood in the USSR between May and August, 1945? It was a sense of joy, of relief, of accomplishment, and above all, pride. They had narrowly survived an existential threat to their nation, triumphed over their hated foe who destroyed much of their country, and in so doing forged the mightiest land army the world had ever seen. True, there was a lot of work to be done to get the country back on its feet, but the boys were coming home and they had earned certain liberties from the state because of their sacrifice. Or so they thought. Most important, the USSR, previously shunned as a pariah state, was now strong and powerful, a force in world affairs and because of the might of the Red Army, a country whose word had to be respected.

Don’t forget one other aspect of the Russian psyche, in addition to their well-known national paranoia, which Werth didn’t really touch upon directly, but nonetheless it is very real. The paragraph I wrote above reveals much about one character trait of the Russians that has always been there and is still there today. They have a tremendous inferiority complex when it comes to Western Europe and the United States. This is particularly pronounced in technical, scientific and industrial fields. The victory over Germany made them feel our equals, or even our betters, as a great salve to that inferiority complex.

But all that changed on August 8, 1945, when they learned of the atomic bomb. Werth recorded the reactions of the “man on the street.” They immediately realized it was a “new thing.” The pessimists among them said their sacrifices to defeat Germany were “as good as wasted.” The Red Army, that great instrument of national power, was instantly made irrelevant and obsolete. And the Russians were pissed. They were mad at the United States. We came up with this new wonder weapon just to cheat them out of their rightfully won place in the world. And they took it personally. The use of the bomb touched every raw nerve in the Russian psyche; the paranoia, the fear, and the inferiority complex.

And having the bomb did exactly what the Russians thought we intended it to do. It did allow us to maintain a paper army in Germany for many years while the Red Army stayed with a high level of combat power. The USSR did a lot of damage around the world, but far less than they could have. Because we had the bomb, and they didn’t. On August 6, 1945, it immediately became the “Great Truth” about atomic/nuclear weapons that you didn’t have to use them, you just had to have them.

To the Russians, our exclusive possession of the bomb is what caused the Cold War, not Stalin breaking every promise he made at Yalta. It was the bomb that caused the Party to clamp down on the liberties they’d enjoyed during the war, not Stalin’s paranoia that caused the Purges and Collectivization in the 1930s. It was our possession of the bomb that forced them back into the factories and mines to make weapons and not blue jeans and toasters, not Stalin’s continuation of his brutal Five Year Plans begun before the war. Yes, we became the scapegoat for all their ills. It was a neat way for the Party to create the boogeyman to maintain their control over public opinion.

And that’s where the American leftist/communist mantra came from. They believe we dropped the bomb just to intimidate Russia. And the reason they were told this by their Moscow masters is because those masters were in fact intimidated.

By the way, the best refutation of Alperovitz is Richard Frank’s Downfall; the End of the Imperial Japanese Empire, which Frank wrote explicitly to refute Alperovitz, and he did a masterful job in so doing.

56 posted on 08/07/2015 3:52:40 PM PDT by henkster (Where'd my tagline go?)
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To: Genoa

“If it weren’t for the atomic bombing of these two cities, the USSR would have actually had to fight Japan, and many lives would have been lost on all sides. Suck it up.”

And Japan may have become part of the USSR ...


57 posted on 08/07/2015 3:55:59 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They can kiss my grits! I’m 69. My father was in Army Infantry in North Africa, Sicily, Italy, until he finally marched through Italy & stormed the Nazis in Germany. Shell shocked all to h-e-double hockey sticks; he was in for the duration plus six months. - As a hardened combat veteran, he would have been sent to Japan as further cannon fodder this time for the Japanese. - Truman had GUTS! - These people need to grow up AND shut up!!


58 posted on 08/07/2015 4:13:17 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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