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The Problem With Downplaying Immigrant Crime
The Atlantic ^ | 29 July 2015 | David Frum

Posted on 07/29/2015 3:05:36 PM PDT by Theoria

Why has the Donald Trump candidacy—which so many professionals and pundits at first dismissed as a joke—flared this summer? In the first week of July, 15 percent of Republicans supported Trump for president in a YouGov poll. By the third week, that support had almost doubled, to 28 percent—with another 10 percent listing him as their second choice.

Something happened in July to send Trump’s numbers soaring. That something may have been the murder of Kathryn Steinle.

On July 5, the 32-year-old Steinle posed with her father for a photograph on a San Francisco pier at 6:30 on a Wednesday evening. Suddenly there was a pop. Steinle crumpled. She died in hospital two hours later.

The stunningly random killing left behind a devastated family—and a confessed killer: Juan Francisco Lopez-Sanchez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who had been convicted of seven previous felonies and five times been ordered deported from the United States.

In 2009, Lopez crossed the border into the United States again, was caught, and was sentenced to four years in federal prison. After his federal sentence was served, Lopez-Sanchez was handed over to San Francisco authorities to face trial for a local drug charge. The local court dismissed the charge and ordered the Lopez-Sanchez released into the community. Nobody notified federal immigration authorities, because San Francisco law forbids such cooperation.

It’s often remarked that Donald Trump appeals to angry voters. That’s surely true. Yet there is a delicate discomfort about mentioning exactly the issue those voters—at least, those Republican voters—say they are most angry about: the breakdown of immigration enforcement. Trump holds a 2-1 lead over Jeb Bush among Republicans who want an immigration policy that focuses on enforcement and deportation.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: crime; donaldtrump; illegalaliens; immigration; kathrynsteinle
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1 posted on 07/29/2015 3:05:36 PM PDT by Theoria
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To: Theoria

Most anti-illegal voices focused on everify and illegals who work. They focused on the “good” illegals. That gave the felon illegals a pass.

Just do any kind of search. Start with immigrant sites such as CIS. They have 20 articles about illegals who work for 1 article about those who murder, rape, steal.

Check out immigrant stories at Townhall and dozens of other aggregators. Again, overwhelmingly they gave the “bad” illegals a pass by focusing on the “good” illegals.

Focusing on the “good” illegals also created support for illegals with no distinction between the different types of illegals.

One frequent phrase of anti-illegal voices was “illegal is illegal”. That is true. But it ignores the fact that illegals are not all the same and cannot be treated the same.


2 posted on 07/29/2015 3:17:07 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Theoria

I can’t believe David Frum wrote something I more or less agree with!


3 posted on 07/29/2015 3:17:28 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: spintreebob

They all should go.


4 posted on 07/29/2015 3:18:05 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: spintreebob
But it ignores the fact that illegals are not all the same and cannot be treated the same.

Why not? Aren't all bank robbers the same under the law?

5 posted on 07/29/2015 3:21:19 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: spintreebob
But it ignores the fact that illegals are not all the same and cannot be treated the same.

Sure they can deport them.....Send the criminals to their home countries.

6 posted on 07/29/2015 3:21:53 PM PDT by Osage Orange (What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.)
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To: Theoria

I haven’t had much time for FR in recent weeks, but of what I have read from Trump in terms of enforcement has been exclusively about building a wall rather than interior enforcement.

Building a wall is a fine thing to do but will take a long time just to get started and will only be a deterrent to a minority of future illegal aliens.

A change of policy toward real enforcement will be much quicker to implement and have a deterrent effect to all current and future illegal aliens.

Has he not spoken about interior enforcement or have I just missed it?


7 posted on 07/29/2015 3:25:08 PM PDT by posterchild
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To: posterchild

I haven’t been in the weeds as well.


8 posted on 07/29/2015 3:35:56 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Theoria

David Fag,sorry Frum, actually gets a little right in this piece.


9 posted on 07/29/2015 3:38:18 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: posterchild

He has stated that illegals must return to their home countries and apply for re entry. We can talk about an expedited system for high quality immigrants, but the criminal element is out for life.

All important is building a border. We are not a country without a border.


10 posted on 07/29/2015 3:40:20 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: posterchild
Agree. The ‘wall’ is only one part of the solution. Every illegal that has contact with law enforcement... outta here! Seize cali driver's license records. Pull all programs for illegals. Criminalize even helping them. Fine employers who hire them out of existence, etc. The cities are already up to the rafters with them, and that's where it needs to be tackled once ‘the wall’, if any, goes up. And once again, agree.
11 posted on 07/29/2015 3:42:32 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: posterchild

We can call it ‘zero tolerance’, and watch the commie liberals’ heads explode.


12 posted on 07/29/2015 3:46:40 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

That’s something that could be tackled well before a wall goes up. The vast majority of illegal aliens I’ve known have been people who came on tourist or other visas and overstayed or ignored the terms (e.g. worked under the table).


13 posted on 07/29/2015 4:07:39 PM PDT by posterchild
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BFL


14 posted on 07/29/2015 4:08:17 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: 9YearLurker

“I can’t believe David Frum wrote something I more or less agree with!”

I haven’t finished reading this yet, but if that is the case, then Frum is signaling his people that the time for giggling is over and Trump is a SERIOUS THREAT to his party’s plans.


15 posted on 07/29/2015 5:06:59 PM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: Theoria

“Trump holds a 2-1 lead over Jeb Bush among Republicans who want an immigration policy that focuses on enforcement and deportation.”

The fact that it’s not 3-0 tells me that there is a LOT MORE ROOM for Trump to move up.


16 posted on 07/29/2015 5:08:33 PM PDT by BobL (REPUBLICANS - Fight for the WHITE VOTE...and you will win (see my 'profile' page))
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To: spintreebob
Once you've made an allowance for one kind of illegal you've undercut your argument for barring any of them, save the very worst.

Kinda like once you've justified gay marriage you've effectively justified all kinds of non traditional unions.

The issue really has to be black and white. Force the law, period.

17 posted on 07/29/2015 5:50:37 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Enforce


18 posted on 07/29/2015 5:51:01 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Theoria
A friend of mine emailed me this:

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10.2 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal immigrants working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal aliens.

4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9 million speak Spanish. (There are 10.2 million people in L.A. County.)

(All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los Angeles Times)

Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops, but 29% are on welfare. Over 70% of the United States ‘annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration. 29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal aliens.

This is only one State...If this doesn’t open your eyes nothing will, and you wonder why Nancy Pelosi wants them to become voters!

Windfall Tax on Retirement Income Adding a tax to your retirement is simply another way of saying to the American people, you’re so darn stupid that we’re going to keep doing this until we drain every cent from you. Nancy Pelosi wants a Windfall Tax on Retirement Income. In other words tax what you have made by investing toward your retirement.

Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits (including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds!

Alas, it is true - all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!

This woman is frightening. She quotes...’ We need to work toward the goal of equalizing income, (didn’t Marx say something like this?), and in our country and at the same time limiting the amount the rich can invest. (I am not rich, are you?)

When asked how these new tax dollars would be spent, she replied:

“We need to raise the standard of living of our poor, unemployed and minorities. For example, we have an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in our country who need our help along with millions of unemployed minorities. Stock market windfall profits taxes could go a long way to guarantee these people the standard of living they would like to have as ‘Americans’.”

19 posted on 07/29/2015 8:12:28 PM PDT by Mr Apple (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCrO2SPsYjI)
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To: Theoria
From the article:

Elections should be competitions between elite groupings as to whose solutions will prevail.

Nonsense. Elections are competitions among groups, elite or not, as to whose solutions will prevail.

Those who ignore Trump's speaking to the consequences of lax enforcement of immigration laws do so at their own peril.

20 posted on 07/29/2015 8:25:24 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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