Posted on 07/29/2015 12:35:18 PM PDT by Kaslin
RUSH: I have a simple question. I understand. I love Cecil the lion. I understand it. I understand crying. I myself was ravaged with sadness when I heard about the death of Cecil the lion. You know why? Because, even when talking about a lion, it was in a game preserve. It wasn't a pet, and you're never gonna make a pet out of a predator beast. But it still is the essence of innocence, and it wouldn't do anything to us if we didn't threaten it first. It is just senseless for somebody to shoot it.
I don't care whether they were a dentist from Minnesota or a terrorist from ISIS, it is senseless to be let onto a game preserve -- "preserve," protection -- with a bow and arrow and think you are engaging in sport while you kill a lion. It's just senseless. And I understand the sadness. People have an attachment to animals that is inexplicable. What I don't understand... Now, Jimmy Kimmel broke down almost in tears last night on his program, and the very same people will express sadness, tears, shock, dismay over the death of Cecil.
I love cats, too, and I think Cecil is a great name for a lion. In fact, if I ever get another cat I'm gonna name it Cecil in honor of this one. My own cat was disappointed when she found out Cecil was killed. All animals are worried about this. Understand that. But how in the world can you get teary-eyed and misty-eyed and sad over Cecil and, at the same time, participate in burying what's happening at Planned Parenthood? Can somebody explain that to me? (interruption) What do you mean, "Well"?
What do you mean, "Well"? Is this too controversial a question? What do you mean, "Well"? Is this somewhere I shouldn't venture? I do know how the animal people are. But I know that most animal people have the same attitude toward human beings. Look, I understand the difference. Human beings, adult human beings, are not the essence of innocence. But babies in the womb are. Babies in the womb are more innocent than any animal is. But to a lot of people, that would be an argumentative statement.
I understand that, but a baby in the womb? I mean, you can't get a more pure definition of innocence. Now, I understand there's a picture of Cecil the lion as he's alive and sitting there with his harem and looking like a lion, looking like the king of the jungle. He's sitting there and he's just enjoying life, everything is fine and dandy, you see that picture and you hear the news that some reprobate with a bow and arrow was let in there for 50 grand, and to claim it was hunting?
There's no hunting.
That wasn't any sport in this.
Cecil had no idea. It was at night. Cecil had no idea. He's in a game preserve. I understand all that. And there aren't any pictures of the baby chop shop operation. I understand that. And we are a photo- and image-driven society, but nevertheless, it's a matter of I don't know curiosity, concern, that so much emotion can be dredged up -- and justifiably. I mean, I'm with you on this death of Cecil business. But I'm also just, if not more sickened by what Planned Parenthood's doing.
I tell you, Planned Parenthood's hired this PR firm called SKDKnickerbocker or some such thing and their job is single purpose, bury the story. They are harassing Drive-By Media, to the extent that necessary to get them to ignore the story. For example, Politico ran just a little bitty blurb about this and how it just makes a lot of people uncomfortable and this SKDKnickerbocker bunch just jumped on 'em, and Politico retracted or deleted it from their Web page or did something.
That's what they're trying to do is get this story buried. They're not even gonna try to argue the story. They're not even gonna try to say we all misunderstand it. They're not even gonna try to say, "There's great medical research to be had here." They're not gonna say, "It's just a clump of cells." They're not even gonna try to say, "It's an unviable tissue." They're just gonna lean on their buddies in the Drive-By to suppress the story.
Remembering how God told Abraham he wouldn't destroy Sodom if he could find first 100 good men, then 10, then 5 and finally 1! None could be found and we know the rest.
I fear we are nearing that point.
Is anyone else amazed at the mediagasm over the hunting of this lion?
People who three days ago had no clue about Cecil the lion, and who don’t even know where Zimbabwe is, are now all of a sudden shocked and outraged, and calling for the head of a hunter who allegedly violated game and hunting regulations of a country they can’t even find on a map.
Cecil the lion has been fondly remembered as "confident and regal" by the man who followed him for nine years and took his final photograph
The last known photograph of Cecil (lying down), with Jericho. The image was taken a month before Cecil was killed Photo
Brent Stapelkamp
By Harriet Alexander, and Peta Thornycroft
A Zimbabwean lion researcher has spoken of his fond memories of Cecil, the celebrated animal who was killed with a bow and arrow shot by an American dentist.
Brent Stapelkamp has been a researcher with Oxford University's lion project in the Hwange National Park for nine years. The 37-year-old took the last photo of Cecil: an image shot a month ago, showing the adult male standing less than a mile from where, on July 1, he died.
"Cecil was the most confident lion you ever met," Mr Stapelkamp told The Telegraph. "He knew he was the biggest on the block."
Walter Palmer, a dentist from Minnesota who shot the lion, has said that he "deeply regrets" killing Cecil.
Where is the bright collar, or brand, or placard stating that he is Cecil beloved park animal, do not shoot me?
If Abraham could have found some FReepers....
God also killed every single human being (there are those who suggest they may have also been hybrids) on the Earth in a massive flood, save for 8 people who were “righteous” way before Abraham’s time.
Time is coming very very soon, where history will repeat itself. Matthew 24 has been springing true since 1948. And the Laodicean “church” of America and the world is living proof that Revelation is for real.
There are those who believe the Tetrad of 4 blood moons that just “happen” to be on Jewish Holidays are more than a coincidence. This being a Shmita year also raises eyebrows of looming economic collapse.
This Iran deal, the “Caitlyn” Jenner effect, and Homosexual Marriage shoved down everybody’s throats has hell written all over it.
Folks sitting on the fence had better wake up. IMHO things are about to happen that will literally fulfill Luke 21:26 and cause massive chaos worldwide.
Obama is purposefully provoking an instable ME that will eventually lead to a devastating World War that could change the entire world power structure.
Just a handful ;)
I don’t love any lions. Dogs are dying horrific painful deaths in South Korea every day, being burned, cut and tortured, hung, before being killed because their ignorant culture believes this makes the meat taste better.
One lion being shot is nothing to me. In fact lions are cruel predators.
What is happening to babies in utero is not swift or painless and I am sickened by it.
I don’t have television but the left adores predators, along with the blood and gore of their killings. Wolves, grizzlies and lions are replacing God in their lives or serve as their gods. The Sierra Club and other puke liberal groups promote this.
And I am sure it is tied to their gaia worship as well.
The hallmark of the Laodicean age is indifference to the sacred and obsession with the secular. Humanity is degenerating quicker than I would have thought possible just forty years ago ...
What hunter? This dentist paid money to kill a lion. He might as well have went to the zoo. He then botched the killing by using a bow and arrow, causing the poor beast to suffer for 40 hours until it was killed by a rifle shot.
Real hunters kill animals for food & necessity, not just so they can hang something on their wall.
ONE of THose DEAD babies, killed by their MOTHERS, mean a LOT more to GOD than a THOUSAND CECIL’S!! Rush was SAD?? God is MAD!
Yes, both are sad
Family members of all the Zebras he ate say, "Good Riddance."
The photographer says he was the lion standing up....the photo caption says he was the one lying down!!! Will the REAL Cecil stand up??
Thank you for your uninformed opinion.
Someone who deals regularly with the ethics of hunting, on the other hand, might say that "real" hunters "hang something on their wall" so that they have a memorial of the hunt and the animal and to show off the fact that they successfully killed / took / harvested the animal to whomever might care. (Obviously, that does not include you.) That same ethicist might also say that "real" hunters choose to spend extraordinary amounts of money on gear and licenses and travel, dedicate their time to practice with their weapons, and put themselves into nature with the animal that they intend to kill because of the connection that process creates between the hunter, the natural environment, and the animal that the hunter hopes to kill.
The rest of your comments are just bigoted and ignorant. paid money to kill a lion Every legal hunter pays money to kill the animal. That's what license fees are all about. They fund conservation efforts that maintain or expand habitat, finance scientific research and disease prevention efforts, and other activities that preserve both the target species and other species within that environment. Hunters are responsible for more habitat and species conservation than all of the other wildlife groups combined.
He might as well have went to the zoo. Gone to the zoo. Whatever. He didn't go to the zoo because it is illegal to kill the animals at the zoo. More to the point, it is impossible to "hunt" animals at the zoo because they cannot get away. If you kill an animal at the zoo, or your county fair, or the slaughterhouse, it is not hunting, it is slaughter. I slaughter my own livestock and in fact have had to occasionally shoot chickens that get out of the pen on slaughtering day. That is not hunting, there is nothing about the hunt involved. It is killing calories that happen to still be walking around.
Obviously you have never hunted over bait, never hunted a cat of any kind, in fact have probably never hunted. That's ok, it's your choice. But the only way to hunt a cat is bait or, in some cases, dogs. Personally, I don't like either bait or dogs, which is why I have never successfully taken a mountain lion. But bait is not foolproof, and it is ignorant to suggest that just because you throw out a piece of meat or scent then a lion will be drawn irresistably to stand in front of you and get shot.
He then botched the killing by using a bow and arrow....You seem here to be suggesting that using a bow is a botched hunt. That's contrary to all of human history since hunting with a bow was first invented. Also in my experience, archery tends to be a much more humane method of killing. The blades punch through the skin, slice 1" to 1.5" wide channels, and do so cleanly so that the animal feels a punch, sharp pain, bleeds quickly, lies down, bleeds out and dies. In contrast, gun shots appear to make the animal panic (which can taint the meat and make it gamier), and animals run much farther. Additionally, it is just as possible to wound an animal with a gun as with an arrow. Rather than "botching" the hunt by using a bow and arrow, Palmer likely had to put himself within 40-60 yards of the lion in order to make the shot. No one ever wants to wound an animal, but that is a risk of hunting. Given how most animals die naturally, I have a hard time seeing that even bad hits would be likely to cause more suffering than normal deaths through disease, injury, and starvation.
...causing the poor beast to suffer for 40 hours until it was killed by a rifle shot. I'd use a rifle too. Lions, especially wounded lions, would like desperately to kill you back. Your anthropomorphization of the lion is ridiculous. The animal suffered, this was not an ideal hunt, but that does not mean it was unethical. They wounded the lion and then tracked it for 40 hours. Putting it down with a rifle shot was a choice the guides and the hunter made after that search.
Real hunters kill animals for food & necessity, not just so they can hang something on their wall." Again, one reason to hunt includes putting food on the table. Other than a few of my friends who grew up on the reservation and some older relatives who made it through the depression, no one "needs" to hunt if you define "need" solely in terms of putting calories in your body. But your definition of "need" is dangerous. The vast majority of people on this forum carry or own firearms. None of us strictly "needs" them under your definition. We want them because they provide assurance of personal protection and also because we enjoy using them. You personally may not like firearms, but that in itself is not a reason to prevent others from enjoying them. Likewise with hunters. Hunters get enjoyment, skills, challenges, camaraderie, a connection with nature that neither you nor any of the leftist tree hugging hippies on the other side will ever understand, and other benefits. Given the conditions on many CAFOs and factory farms, you personally and without any concern about it at all inflict extraordinary suffering on the meat you eat that is equal to or greater than that experienced by the animal killed in a hunt. I tried the vegetarian route for a long time, hated it, and now raise or kill 95% of my own meat because I have considered the ethics and philosophy of hunting over an above the knee-jerk ignorance that drives most of the bambi-brigade's fake tears over the death of an animal.
This whole story is full of manufactured BS. It has never been claimed that ‘Cecil’ was killed on the refuge, but was drawn out by bait, which is how you hunt lions. They stated that they had meat on the truck to lure him out. Real story is that when the professional hunters hang a bait, they drag it behind the truck, so that if a lion crosses the path, it will follow the trail to the bait. Virtually all lions are killed over bait. I have a pretty good feeling that lions, much like other game have little respect for the borders of the game reserve, so one wandering off and getting shot isn’t that uncommon. The only thing questionable I saw about the whole thing was whether the guide had a lion on quota in this area, which is hardly the hunter’s fault. Just for information, yes, I have hunted in Africa, as well as a few other countries. It is also not unheard of for guides in Zim to break the rules, since the Mugabe led country is unbelievably corrupt, and greasing the right palms will get them additional hunting access. People paying money to kill lions, elephants, etc are the only reason they aren’t extinct. Can you imagine the crop damage an ele could do, without the upside of selling a $30-50000 hunt? They would kill every one they saw, and Africa is vast and laws are largely unenforceable.
I guess it’s a hell of a lot better to sell body parts off of aborted black babies to fund your Lamborghini purchase, after all.
This whole story is the ultimate in ignorance of how hunting really works, and I am a ‘real’ hunter. I’ve spent weeks in tents in Alaska (unguided), BC, every state in the west, packed out moose in a backpack on foot, which I think qualifies me as a real hunter. My living room is covered with heads, and some I didn’t eat.
I would say any killing that took 40 hours is a botched killing.
You really believe the guides he paid were legit? Any money the dentist paid more than likely went straight into their pockets. They couldn't see the GPS collar they took off the animal? They lured it off a reserve, the next closest thing to a zoo.
I grew up around hunters, but they only killed what they ate. They always taught me to respect life.
I own firearms for protection and target practice.
Exactly. I'm curious what SCI says about the guide, although even that is not definitive. The temptation to cut corners to get good testimonials, especially from someone as well traveled as Palmer apparently is, has to be strong in places like Zimbabwe.
"guides he paid were legit?" To his knowledge? Yes, I think he almost certainly did due diligence, got testimonials, and checked the licenses of the guides before forking over $50,000 for the license plus whatever travel expenses and outfitter expenses he incurred for the hunt itself. Or do you seriously think he just handed total strangers upwards of $70,000 without doing any investigation? For what would have been the hunt of a lifetime? Possible, but extremely unlikely.
"Straight into their pockets" - the news stories say that the $50,000 was the license fee. Typically that's going to the government, which will then get pocketed by whatever zimbabwean official has the ability to do so. What went into the guide's pockets was the outfitters fee -- probably somewhere around $10,000.
I have no idea whether they could see the collar. It doesn't show in any pictures I've seen of the beast.
Luring it off the reserve - are you saying that once an animal steps foot on a reserve it can't ethically be hunted? There's no walls, lions don't care about fences, and if the lions can be lured from the reserve or from 10 miles in the opposite direction what is the difference? Again, it's what Palmer knew, not what the guides did.
Many hunters only kill what they eat. I don't like bear meat, which is why I won't hunt bear. But do you have any leather products in your home? Perhaps a rabbit fur cap or similar? Rabbits raised for fur are not eaten. neither are beavers. If you eat a coyote you deserve the intestinal parasites and diseases. Raccoon is just nasty but people trap and hunt them for pelts. Your ethical standard of "Hunter"=only kills what it eats is unsustainable on a philosophical and ethical basis. Some people hunt because they enjoy it but are indifferent to the meat. Most deer hunters and elk hunters leave the pelts, sinews, hooves, brains, livers, hearts, testicles even though all of those are useful and / or edible. Food alone is not a sufficient ethical justification for hunting or not hunting. It's a lazy excuse for a knee-jerk reaction against something you just don't like. And if you keep using it, you can't complain when liberals want to ban your guns just because they don't like them.
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