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Trump says that under Walker, Wis budget went from projected surplus to a deficit [mostly false]
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Politifact ^ | July 28, 2015 | Tom Kertscher

Posted on 07/28/2015 10:09:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

On July 25, 2015, the day after news that a Scott Walker ally had called him a "dumb-dumb,"Donald Trump delighted in dumping on the Wisconsin governor during a campaign speech in Iowa.

"I read this horrible statement from his fundraiser about Trump. I said, ‘Oh, finally,I can attack,’ "the New York businessman said to laughter in Oskaloosa. "Finally, finally."

Trump--second to Walker among Republican presidential contenders in an Iowa poll earlier in the week--criticized him on several fronts. Then he made a claim about the fortunes of Wisconsin’s finances.

"Wisconsin’s doing terribly. First of all, it’s in turmoil,"Trump said. "The roads are a disaster because they don’t have any money to rebuild them. They’re borrowing money like crazy. They projected a $1 billion surplus and it turns out to be a deficit of $2.2 billion."

Let’s focus on that last part.

Is Trump right that a projected $1 billion surplus became a $2.2 billion deficit?

Trump is partly on the money,but he’s mixing apples and oranges,and his use of the word deficit is problematic.

[SNIP]

In the end,the 2015-’17 budget approved by the Legislature and signed by Walker in July 2015 was balanced--just as every other Wisconsin state budget is.

Our rating

Mixing apples and oranges,Trump said that under Walker,Wisconsin "projected a $1 billion (budget) surplus and it turns out to be a deficit of $2.2 billion."

There was in early 2014 a projection of a $1 billion surplus heading into the 2015-’17 budget period. Late in 2014, there was a projection of a $2.2 billion shortfall--the difference between expected revenues and the amount of money being requested by state agencies.But the shortfall was never a deficit--and some of the surplus was consciously spent by Republicans,as tax cuts.

For a statement that contains only an element of truth and ignores critical facts that would give a different impression,our rating is Mostly False.

(Excerpt) Read more at politifact.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economy; gopprimary; walker; wisconsin
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1 posted on 07/28/2015 10:09:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Walker is a good man. He better be careful. I don’t like the facts being twisted like that. Trump is a smart man. He doesn’t need to distort the truth.

I give one point to Walker on this exchange.


2 posted on 07/28/2015 10:13:57 AM PDT by nikos1121 ("The enemy of your enemy is your enemy!" B. Netanyahu)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

While everyone does the “funny numbers” game when it comes to Government budgets, and while my opinion of Trump is pretty clear (think him a clown), from what I’ve read on this (and have read a lot), Trump isn’t that far off.

I am zero fan of Trumps but I’d sure vote for him over Walker. I only started looking at Walker in great detail when it was clear he was going to run for #POTUS and I am singularly unimpressed.


3 posted on 07/28/2015 10:15:29 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Surpluses from taxes always ought to be given back to taxpayers. Taxes are to cover budgets and when you collect more than the budget, you should give it back.

They act like its a terrible thing. When a business overcharges people on a bill, you get that money back. These same people would sue a company for keeping more money than what the bill actually was.

Government can never give money back. Government neer has to tighten its belt but demands individuals do so when they raise taxes and fees on everyone each year.


4 posted on 07/28/2015 10:16:23 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
we are being so had...

Trump is in the Toons pocket and why any patriot or conservative would support him let alone talk him up is beyond me....

WE HAVE LEARNED NOTHING!

5 posted on 07/28/2015 10:16:34 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mostly false? “But the shortfall was never a deficit—and some of the surplus was consciously spent by Republicans, as tax cuts.” Since when is a tax cut “spending”? Just another effort to spread confusion.


6 posted on 07/28/2015 10:16:48 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Trump did this with leftist talking points that were never facts.

Very disturbing.

7 posted on 07/28/2015 10:17:05 AM PDT by Lakeshark
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“mostly false” is not a ringing denial of Trumps comment.


8 posted on 07/28/2015 10:17:13 AM PDT by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small pittance.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m sick of the childishness. Six years from obama now this from these “Republicans”. It’s sad when you can only get ahead by being scandalous.


9 posted on 07/28/2015 10:18:02 AM PDT by ryan71 (Bibles, Beans and Bullets)
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To: nikos1121
I agree. I will debate the facts but when they're twisted by someone who insists that others him them fairly, well that is not going to stand.

Bi-polarizing Trump

"..........Trump clearly said in 2009 he identified more as a Democrat on the economic crash--and he doubled down on the sentiment this weekend.

There’s more. He took the liberal union thug talking points book and aimed many of those same arguments right at Scott Walker, saying that “Wisconsin is in turmoil.” He went on to clarify, telling a boisterous crowd in Iowa that the state’s “roads, schools and hospitals, which he said were all a disaster.” Let me translate: Scott Walker screwed up Wisconsin by going after the unions.

So is Trump working for Richard Trumka or the SEIU now? I mean, this is right out of the union hall. It’s going after Walker from the left. So Trump was angry for some comments made by a Walker fundraiser? That’s no excuse for firing from the liberal flank, and frankly, a bit childish too. But my main concern is the liberalism thing, which has been exposed again.

So how will this play out? Will Trump’s legion of fans take note? Will talkers like Rush and Laura Ingraham mention this? They seem singularly focused on just Trumps good points. That’s a valid, but incomplete focus. It is not contradictory to support and enjoy his stabs at Washington -- while also realizing in the sober moment that he is not the conservative answer.

Donald Trump is gifted. He is passionate. He has a finger on the pulse at the moment. It’s doubtful that conservatives need to nominate someone who has been pro Obama and pro Universal Care as recently as a few years ago--and to the left of George W. Bush this weekend."

10 posted on 07/28/2015 10:18:33 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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Despicable.


11 posted on 07/28/2015 10:19:03 AM PDT by Impy (They pull a knife, you pull a gun. That's the CHICAGO WAY, and that's how you beat the rats!)
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To: tennmountainman

This rating is in a Leftist publication so the “mostly” needs to be understood in that light.


12 posted on 07/28/2015 10:19:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tennmountainman

Is the Journal Sentinel a reliable source of nebulous characterizations?


13 posted on 07/28/2015 10:21:14 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bump to watch the freeper chapter of trumpeteers for defend this man.


14 posted on 07/28/2015 10:23:34 AM PDT by exnavy (Common sense seems to be uncommon these days.)
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I like Trump, but he’s making a mistake in going after Walker, he’s not the enemy.


15 posted on 07/28/2015 10:24:23 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: nikos1121

Trump is a liar? Who’d have guessed!


16 posted on 07/28/2015 10:24:39 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

the democrat version of trump speaks.


17 posted on 07/28/2015 10:25:27 AM PDT by dadfly
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Got my Property Tax assessment this week. My Property Taxes went DOWN by $500.00!

Works for me. :)


18 posted on 07/28/2015 10:26:32 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What state did Trump run?

I know he bankrupt a few companies.

Talk, talk, talk..

19 posted on 07/28/2015 10:27:12 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So I assume that a Governor Trump would not have cut taxes or may have even increased them to offset that deficit he was so worried about?


20 posted on 07/28/2015 10:28:49 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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