Posted on 07/22/2015 5:48:53 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
Is Donald Trump Pulling A Nigerian 419 Scam?
As Lincoln said about U.S. Grant, "I cannot spare this man. He fights."
Sure. And when it’s against the GOP thats great. It’s what happens when “Sorry Conservatives” becomes the standard after hes elected.
Then it’s too late. Hillary fights. Barry fights. “Sorry Conservatives’. There is a pattern here that cannot be wished away.
That’s cuz zero’s black.
I'm not reading as much into that statement as you are. I've watched Trump speak off the cuff enough to know that he sometimes shoots his mouth off.
It was a throw-away line, in my opinion, and shouldn't be read as some harbinger of future socialist welfare policies from Trump.
He's smart enough, and has an advanced enough level of gamesmanship to know that this isn't the time for talking hard policy.
No, at this early stage he knows he needs to slap his opponents and the media around hard enough to knock them off their game. Shock and Awe, if you will. Few, if any of them have left so much as a scratch on him, but he's in the process of hurting some of them so badly, they'll soon leave the field.
He certainly is upstaging ALL of them, and showing the public what weak sisters they all are. He's leaving marks on every challenger who dares to lob a softball at him. And he does by simply speaking the truth, which they have NO defense against.
You've got to admit that Trump is delivering exactly the type of backbone we conservatives have been dying to see since Reagan left office. We'll see what sort of hard policy he develops, but in the meantime, I can't help but get behind a man that spits in the Devil's eye and dares him to do something about it.
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>>>Trump wants to scrap Obamacare and replace it with Universal Healthcare. And that’s just ONE issue<<<
Hate to break it to you, but Obamacare already IS Universal Healthcare. Trump wants to get rid of it and replace it using Free Market Principles such as allowing Healthcare Providers to operate over State Lines. Did you not catch his Phoenix Speech? Remember the Republicans have been promoting that for years and it never got done.
Talk is cheap.
As an aside, I read somewhere that they estimated the Administrative Costs alone for Obamacare are over $300,000,000,000 a Year. I sure hope it was a Typo.
As I have Posted multiple times, do you think any Politician will just cancel Obamacare and tell the People who would lose Coverage it’s too damn bad? Really?
Trump says we can do it better and cheaper. Obamacare is a 30,000 Page Nightmare written by Liberals, Lobbyists and Lawyers. Trump is saying Repeal and Replace, just like my guy Ted Cruz.
Trump wants to cover every American, not the Illegal Invaders that the Democrats want to cover. Imagine the Money that would saved without 20 Million Illegal Invaders sucking up the Resources.
I could go on but why bother? I could Vote for a Cruz / Trump Ticket right now. Any other Contenders out there that would fit the Bill? They are all Cowards.
I will give Fiorina a nod, but the HP Horror Stories will surround her of she even gets close. Carson is a nice guy and would make a good Cabinet Secretary.
IMHO the rest aren’t worth a warm Bucket of Spit.
Backbone yes. Off the cuff, no. He is on record as a universal healthcare advocate.
I’m glad he’s raising 9 hells. But we both know what happens when fawning conservatives see a savior in a liberal. It never ever ends well.
When people get over the shock of Don Lancelot jousting with RINOs and beating them like red headed stepchildren, then what? He’s still the same guy that donated cash to Democrats, flip flops with Romney like ability on guns and abortion and wants the very same healthcare (socialist) Barry does. He’s still the same guy that spoke of Reagan as a problem for America in his book.
And conservatives are again going to have set aside their supposed principles FOR THAT??? Who cares that he fights when those are what he fights FOR and has for a long time?
He has a record. It needs to be read. If voters want it, so be it. Let them suffer the consequences of their actions. Again.
Donald Trump Nails Joe Scarbrough’s Dead Intern Problem.
I don't consider myself a fawning conservative by any stretch, and (I suspect) most that know me here, don't either. That said, yeah, I'm very much liking what I'm hearing and seeing out of Trump, who I dismissed out of hand, as a buffoon and a circus act, the last time he threatened to run for office.
I'll wager that you and I shared a few yucks on the Trump threads back then.
But people and conditions change over time. This country has tumbled down a rat hole since Zero came to power. As bad as things were during Dubya's term, those times look like the promised land from this vantage point.
In watching Trump, I see that he's been just as alarmed by our country's leap into the abyss as an of the rest us. Terrible moments in history tend to snap a lot of people out of their complacency, delusions, and normalcy bias. The wanton, wholesale destruction of every foundation block of your world can do wonders to clear the fog from your mind and eyes.
None of us knows what sort of hard policies Trump is eventually going to settle on, but my gut tells me that they're going to be significantly closer to the conservative right than his past positions would indicate. It's because the world has changed. Drastically -- and Trump sees this just as well as any of us.
So far, what policy changes he has espoused, have signaled a strong movement to the right on his part. Time will tell if his whole world view takes the same tack, but don't be surprised if he develops a policy package that satisfies most conservatives. It's what our country needs, and are the only real world solutions that will get this country out of the soup.
Trump is smart enough to know that, and if he's too squishy in any important area, I think Ted Cruz will help him tighten it up.
No, YOU aren’t a fawning anything. But the majority of conservatism is.
People don’t change Windy. Not really. Is there any amount of cash I can offer to induce you to kill an innocent person at random? No. Because at your core, you are who you are. Money won’t change it. Threats won’t change it. I might talk you into recognizing the superior skills of Vai over Hendrix ;) but I’m never gonna change anything about what makes you tick. No one can. You are who and what you are.
Money and power make Donnie tick. He has been all three. Dem, Indy and Pubbie. Thats who and what HE is. He is whatever he needs to be today. Great for survival instinct, pathetic for a rock to build your house on. Build a house on sand or in a swamp and you are in a Monty Python movie without the joy of spanking 20 YO virgins.
Too Perilous.
We are already in one Monty Python movie. Do you REALLY want the sequel? His record is what it is. It will never be anything else. We can ignore that past or not. If we do, so be it.
Perhaps not at their core, but any person can shift their viewpoints upon receipt of superior data, personal observations, or direct experience. Happens all the time.
In the case of Trump, I think he's seen so much go wrong with America, that he's shifted some of his views to fit the current reality we face. That's what smart people do, and Donald's no idiot. I think we're hearing that shift come out in the things he's been saying recently.
That doesn't mean I believe he's completely 'arrived' as a true conservative. Far from it -- but I do believe the man has moved significantly in the direction of a saner world view. He'll no doubt, still give conservatives reasons to facepalm on future occasions, but that's what happens when someone is in the process of that type of personal growth.
I just hope for our sakes and his, that he gets it right more often than he gets it wrong. The one thing that's certain, is that he loves his country, and he wants to see it restored to greatness. As evidence of his smarts, he's zeroing in on most of the key areas that require major handling for that to occur.
Until he says or does something outside the bounds of my reality, I'll keep applauding the guy, and hoping that he and Ted Cruz wind up winning the election as a team.
`OK, lets say for the sake of discussion he is seeing the light. Legitimately. He’s a guy rediscovering who he is and what he believes. How he sees the world.
By DEFINITION the guy isn’t stable right now. Not in the nutjob sense because he’s far from crazy. In the core value sense. We both know people that have had midlife crisis type stuff go on. You just don’t know what they are going to do because they do not know themselves. They can’t know just because of the nature of the turmoil.
So regardless of all else. Is that the type of person best suited to lead a country out of the insanity perpetuated by a jihadist? Or the man in the right frame of mind to direct the wars that are soon to explode globally?
I really do not see that as someone we should be giving anything but “Thanks for speaking up on the illegals” type support. Especially when our energy would be far better for all of us directing it at helping Cruz to the greatest extent possible. Because I forsee another round of “We shoulda...”
I'll bet Trump only appears unstable to you right now, because the last time you took any real notice of the guy, he had very different positions on some things. Now here he comes out of nowhere with very altered views, which looks like a sudden turn-around from your point of view.
Trump has endured the horror of watching the Muslim Manchild dismantle America for the last seven years, just as you and I have, and I think his opinions have been shifting rightward all during that time. People's views change as circumstances in their lives change.
You may not be allowing for the slow drip of years that have passed by while Trump observed our national collapse. The man's had a really long time to have a great deal of realizations about the effects of unbridled liberalism at the top. He's obviously been paying attention, as evidenced by the fact that he's hitting issue after issue right on point, as far as conservatives are concerned.
Did you see this thread tonight?:
Would you vote for Donald Trump if he wins the Republican nomination? ( Poll )
It's hosted by RightScoop. Over 78,000 people have voted in the poll, so far. 81% have voted 'Yes'. Obviously, he's doing something right. Unless he makes some sort of horrendous blunder, he's going to run away with this thing.
As I said before - I don't think he's anywhere close to being a movement conservative, but from what I've heard from him over the last little bit, he sure has moved a lot further right than when we last paid attention to him.
Tens of millions of people chose to vote for an aborting funding Father of gay marriage in america who happens to be the creator of Barrycare. How did that work out?
Well they come to FR daily crying the blues that another guy did the same thing. If I learned anything in life is that when a herd of cattle stampedes it’s not good.
Your entire post seems logical enough. Maybe it’s all true. But it all depends on a lot of maybe and might. I look at his record and see a lot of documented fact.
In the 12 election we heard a lot of maybe and might as well. People were scared. People made bad choices based on that fear. We talked about it many times. And what is happening right now? The same thing. In 12, less than 18 hours after his loss, Romney reverted and all the people that swore they though he was honest in his promises for the moon had egg on their face. And 4 more years of a liberal. Which they would have had anyway had Romney won.
Anyone looking at Romneys record could see this coming. And anyone looking at Trumps record will see many of the same things. So considering that history is what it is, is there a better chance of Trump being true to who he is or undergoing a paradigm shift?
Logically. By the record. No emotion/fear. No maybe or might or perhaps. Which is by the numbers most likely the case?
Trump wouldn't be the first person to ever undergo a serious world view / political shift in his life. People on this board relate their own experiences of their journeys to conservatism all the time. Hell, I've got my own story, too. Time was, I wouldn't think of voting R -- but observations of life, and coming into possession of superior data, finally helped me begin my waking up process.
For now, I'm taking Trump at his word. He claims to hold a lot of positions that are very similar to those of most mainstream conservatives. Expressing those views to the world without flinching has created a tsunami of support for him on the conservative right - and even some moderates and Dems. If he keeps talking like that, he's going to sweep the primary and crush the Dem in the general.
So what am I to do? Call the guy a liar because of some of his former political views? I guess I could condemn him for life for having ever been stupid, but then I'd have to condemn myself and every other person who's ever come in from the cold. If I could escape the liberal mind control plantation, anyone can. Especially someone as brilliant and accomplished as Donald Trump.
For now, he's got my attention, and he's gaining my support. If he screws up, he screws up, and I'll adjust accordingly, but I sure do like what I'm seeing. It's the most refreshing few weeks I've seen in a very long time.
No, I wouldn’t say call the man a liar. I would follow Ronnie’s guidance. trust BUT VERIFY.
And electing him beforehand is not the road to happy places.
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