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Obama and Trump: Two of a Kind; Outwardly they look different. But take a closer look.
National Review ^ | 07/21/2015 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 07/21/2015 10:01:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Edited on 07/21/2015 10:38:40 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: Neoliberalnot
corporate welfare is a term used by the left

Really? What do you call ethanol subsidies, electric car subsidies, protection from all manner of competition like the sugar industry among many others gets, Kelo condemnation of land to hand to developers (a particular favorite of The Donald), solar and wind and all manner of other "green" subsidies, taxpayers shaken down to pay for sports stadiums for billionaires, the Export-Import Bank and the list just goes on and on . . .

61 posted on 07/21/2015 11:29:08 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SeekAndFind

B/S


62 posted on 07/21/2015 11:31:14 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can only assume that VDH has had a very recent frontal lobotomy. The most illogical and sophomoric article he has ever written.

Very, very disappointed in you, VDH.


63 posted on 07/21/2015 11:40:19 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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To: Yaelle

You nailed it.


64 posted on 07/21/2015 12:03:27 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder
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To: SeekAndFind

The most striking similarity between Obama and Trump is the mindless devotion of their followers. Both the Obama zealots and some of Trump’s supporters on this site see their candidate as some kind of messianic figure, and are completely blind to any and all flaws and shortcomings. You can post article after article demonstrating their candidate’s hypocrisy and doublespeak, it won’t matter. To hear some of the people on this site talk, you’d think that Donald Trump was one of the our Founding Fathers.


65 posted on 07/21/2015 1:25:44 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: SeekAndFind

National RINO Review...

the Beltway is in full panic mode.

The next step would be the beltway building a wall and running to their panic rooms.


66 posted on 07/21/2015 1:28:53 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: colorado tanker

“What do you call ethanol subsidies, electric car subsidies, protection from all manner of competition like the sugar industry among many others gets, Kelo condemnation of land to hand to developers (a particular favorite of The Donald), solar and wind and all manner of other “green” subsidies, taxpayers shaken down to pay for sports stadiums for billionaires, the Export-Import Bank and the list just goes on and on . . . “

“Crony socialism”!
Much more accurate don’t you think? Maybe it’ll catch on.


67 posted on 07/21/2015 1:33:29 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

With deep respect to VDH, Obama needs Styrofoam columns and the trappings of office to appear “manly”.

In the ENTIRE FIELD there is not one perfect candidate.

Trump may chose to be Leonidas, somebody else (not jbush) can be Themistecles. (with a different end of life scenario)


68 posted on 07/21/2015 1:38:33 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: colorado tanker

These people work, don’t you get that. There isn’t a business with more than 50 employees that doesn’t get back some of their tax dollars in the form of deductions, or support for a new industry and the like. I will grant, that some of these have spurious roots, but most are legitimate and make money and pay their share of taxes. Do you take deductions for your children? Is that welfare? What business do you work in?


69 posted on 07/21/2015 1:39:18 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: mrsmith

I like it!


70 posted on 07/21/2015 1:42:52 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Neoliberalnot; colorado tanker
People that work are not on welfare, they pay for welfare.

This isn't quite as cut and dry as you seem to think. What would you say about somebody who does work, but at a low wage job, and who has a bunch of kids who he can't support. That person gets money back from the government through EIC/child credits and food stamps, which is still welfare under a different name.

Also, while I agree that calling targeted tax credits and subsidies for certain industries "welfare" may be abuse of terminology, I don't see how such policies can be defending from people who claim to champion free markets. When those deductions and subsidies are selective, you're letting the government pick winners and losers rather than having a merit-based level playing field. If you object to calling such a system socialism or a corporate welfare state, "crony capitalism" fits just fine.

71 posted on 07/22/2015 3:26:02 PM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck

The struggling worker that is unable to feed his family I feel compassion for and I support a modicum of assistance. He is trying after all.

I do champion free markets, but free markets for all. Rid all subsidies and I am on board, but this selective subsidies for friends and relatives of politicians, count me out.

As far as deductions, whatever allows the taxpayer to retain more of what they earned, I favor. I tire of being ripped off by a corrupt and bullying government.


72 posted on 07/22/2015 5:03:45 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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