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Trump’s Dismissal of McCain’s Heroism Shows Lack of Judgment and Decency, And Is Also Dead Wrong
REASON ^ | 07/19/2015 | Matt Welch

Posted on 07/19/2015 4:17:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

What has gone underplayed in today's widespread outrage over Donald Trump's dismissal of John McCain's war heroism is that the GOP national-poll front-runner's comments, besides demonstrating an idiocratic lack of basic human judgment and decency, are also dead wrong.

Because this is Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is a vulgar anti-intellect who cannot string a coherent paragraph together, his full statement contradicts itself several times within 57 short words. So let's just focus on the bolded part from his remarks:

He's not a war hero. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured—OK, I hate to tell ya. He's a war hero because he was captured, OK? And I believe perhaps he is a war hero, but right now, he said some very bad things about a lot of people.

As someone who wrote a very critical book about the Arizona senator, titled McCain: The Myth of a Maverick, I am more familiar than most television entertainers with the weak points in John McCain's record. His experience as a POW is not one of them. Back in October 2008, the people making the McCain's-no-hero arguments were not Republican presidential contenders, but liberal journalists, such as those who work for Rolling Stone. As I responded to their findings back then in the L.A. Times,

[T]he most pertinent part of McCain's heroism [is that by] all accounts, his noisy resistance to everyday humiliations, and his profane outburst at a made-for-propaganda Christmas service in 1968, gave great strength to his fellow POWs. McCain was an inveterate communicator in Hanoi, tapping code like mad to keep his comrades' spirits up and even acting as chaplain when conditions in the prisons started to improve.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: forrestal; heroism; keating5; mccain; mccain4isis; primarymccain; trump; vietnam
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To: nickcarraway
BullenCrapola. Who likes to be called a Wacko Bird, a Crazie, a Hobbit?
41 posted on 07/19/2015 4:54:39 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: SeekAndFind

I can’t get the facts on Hillary’s Benghazi E-mails about those American Heroes..........who died defending American Soil, which is what an Embassy represents in a foreign land.

I’m bored with Trump’s mistake, and waiting for Hillary’s mistake(s) to fact the bright sunshine ....where are the attack JournOlistas on this subject ?

Trump coverage is a shell game by the corrupt media.


42 posted on 07/19/2015 4:54:40 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: nickcarraway
Good for Trump. McCain and all the other Pussies deserve worse.
43 posted on 07/19/2015 4:55:33 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: nickcarraway

He didn’t need to correct what he never said. Apparently nothing can dissuade you from believing whatever the MSM says, nick.


44 posted on 07/19/2015 4:56:37 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Gunslingr3
He was offered the chance to go home, the North Vietnamese hoping to capitalize on the fact his dad was CNO, but he refused special treatment and abided by the code 'first in, first out'.

Pure crap, unadulterated by any understanding of the event. McCrap had no choice, if he had accepted the offer to go home early, what exactly would have been his career choices? His family name, after two Admiral forebears, toast. This legend is merely spin, putting lipstick on the pig.

45 posted on 07/19/2015 4:57:44 PM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU*ou)
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To: SeekAndFind

It looks like Trump has stepped into “QUICK SAND” that he’ll have a problem getting out off. As long as he stuck to the ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, he had a lot of people on his side. But you can’t shame a military man like John McCain for his service. He could’ve attacked McCain for his stand on illegal immigrants and people would stand by him. I don’t know how he’ll get out of this one?


46 posted on 07/19/2015 4:58:56 PM PDT by gingerbread
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To: nickcarraway
I don't think there was anyone who didn't already know about his war record.

Perhaps the opposite will happen and more will question it instead. At least they may decide they're tired of giving a guy the benefit of the doubt today for something that happened 45 years ago.

47 posted on 07/19/2015 4:59:20 PM PDT by skeeter ( THAT)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t care what McCain did in Vietnam 50 years ago. I care that he has consistently and methodically sold out conservatives for at least the last 20...


48 posted on 07/19/2015 5:02:10 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: SeekAndFind
"more trying than 99.9% of us could imagine, let alone endure. "

Really McCain is one of only one out of a thousand that could endure being a POW? So out of random sample of 1,000 men only a John McCain could have survived being a POW.

Decorum prevents me from telling you what I was taught to do should I become a POW.

I am sadden seeing what gets posted here thee days. I blame AOL for ruining the internet.

49 posted on 07/19/2015 5:02:25 PM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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To: gingerbread
Most hero's wouldn't rat on their own kids with a cigarette in their mouth.

Name, Rank, Serial number.

50 posted on 07/19/2015 5:02:54 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: SeekAndFind

#50!


51 posted on 07/19/2015 5:06:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

or...#51...

Drat


52 posted on 07/19/2015 5:06:37 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: nickcarraway

Has anybody realized Trump ensured McCain will be re-elected? Trump has totally changed the conversation from McCain’s failed policies to McCain’s service record. Big win for McCain. Trump is a reality TV- person he knows how this works He just did a major solid for McCain. I wonder what favor McCain is doing for Trump in return?
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You’re all wet. Oil and Water do not mix. Trump is going to destroy McCain because finally people have had enough of McCain’s lying and his double dealing.

As far as “decency” is concerned, what about McCain’s treatment of his wife, the one who stood by him when he was a POW?

McCain’s “cover” is blown, and it is long past time.


53 posted on 07/19/2015 5:11:13 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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Just because someone wrote a book doesn’t mean what he wrote was truth.

McCain acted as Chaplain? Isn’t he an atheist? I know I’ve never heard him utter the word “God”. Maybe I’m wrong.


54 posted on 07/19/2015 5:16:10 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (I'll vote for a democrat before I'll vote for another rino.)
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To: DesertRhino

He called Trump supporters crazies. He did it because they agree with Trump on immigration.
If he can attack normal Americans freely and personally, then I think he deserves the same.

Its a bitch to get treated the way you treat others.

I won’t even worry here about his giving the finger to TEA, his treason in Syria by supporting iSIS, abandoning the wife who stood by him while he was captive, taking Keating bribes, acting like Hillary by grabbing an open seat in a state he never lived in before, all the senate “gangs” he has joined in on, endorsing Barak, his treatment of Sarah ,,,, etc.

A first class low life and ill be damned if I call him a hero.
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My sentiments exactly.


55 posted on 07/19/2015 5:16:15 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Gunslingr3

The only person I’ve ever heard say McCain turned down the chance to be released early is McCain. Do you have facts stating otherwise? I’m curious. Because I know there are fellow POWs who say everything McCain says are lies.


56 posted on 07/19/2015 5:18:51 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (I'll vote for a democrat before I'll vote for another rino.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

McCain is said to attend a Baptist church.


57 posted on 07/19/2015 5:19:32 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (I paid for an argument, but you're just contradicting!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“the main driver of McCain’s heroism was not the fact of his capture, it’s how he comported himself under circumstances more trying”

I believe that. I’d heard this before but you never know what’s the truth, but I do believe McCain comported himself heroically when a prisoner. It’s really hard to know what to believe.


58 posted on 07/19/2015 5:26:21 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: hlmencken3

Is said to have attended. Maybe he did. But, like I said, I’ve never heard him say anything about his religious beliefs. And if he did I wouldn’t believe him.

In fact, if I had been a POW I’d be giving God credit for having survived.


59 posted on 07/19/2015 5:27:08 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (I'll vote for a democrat before I'll vote for another rino.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

“McCain says he is not “born again” and has not been baptized. He says he is “just a Christian,” who for many years has been attending the North Phoenix Baptist Church in Arizona with his family. He was raised in the Episcopal Church and attended Episcopal High School, an elite boarding school in Alexandria, Va., where he was required to attend chapel every morning and church on Sunday. At the US Naval Academy, church attendance was also required.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1018/p01s06-uspo.html


60 posted on 07/19/2015 5:30:54 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (I paid for an argument, but you're just contradicting!)
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