Posted on 07/19/2015 3:07:00 PM PDT by artichokegrower
Hiram Ramirez didn't expect problems this week when she went to get a birth certificate for her newborn daughter, Dulce.
Ramirez, 28, a native of neighboring Reynosa, Mexico, crossed the border illegally and has lived in the Rio Grande Valley for years. Her two older daughters, ages 3 and 14, were U.S.-born, and she easily obtained birth certificates for them using her Mexican voter registration and consular identification card. She relied on the birth certificates to register her girls for school, Medicaid and other government services.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
Illegal aliens are certainly “subject to the jurisdiction”. They are subject to our laws just like anyone else. What that phrase excludes is diplomats and invading armies, not illegals aliens.
They are subject to our laws just like anyone else
Could have fooled me, looks like only citizens are subject to the laws. Fraudulently documented foreigners get a free pass.
“We are in an upside down world.”
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A great example of that is that we fight Muzzies at our front door while we are letting them in by droves through our back door by a process called “immigration”.
The article is typical LA Times:
Full of "rights" and "racism" while leaching on an amendment intended to provide rights to former slaves and redefining nationality as race.
The real crime is that Texas (PS: my mother came from the valley) IS willing to take other mexican documentation in lieu of the bogus matricular pocket litter or a passport without the REQUIRED US visa.
The REALLY real crime is that Texas is being pilloried for that minimal level of law enforcement.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Since they are illegal, they do not reside legally within a state. Not only that, but the kid's mother resides in Mexico. The kid has no residence here. So no deal.
If she is not a citizen, and is here illegally, what gives her standing to sue in this country?
TRESPASSERS !
What that phrase excludes is diplomats and invading armies, not illegals aliens.
Quaint and obsolete distinctions:
Illegals have grown to become an invasion and UN "diplomats" have come to represent a crime syndicate all of their own.
PING
Actually, it excluded aliens, as well. By saying they were subject to the jurisdiction of that state, what it meant was they were no longer subject to any foreign jurisdiction, an issue with illegal aliens
See here for a clarification on what the 14th was actually supposed to mean.
Imagine of Texas sued Mexico for sending their unwanted indigenous people to the United States because of racism?
We haven’t been a sovereign nation for at least a generation. America has become the world’s candy store with free goodies for all.
Deport Hiram and adopt out the kids.
No, it doesn't. For the 14th Amendment they chose a phrase with a well established meaning, and this isn't in serious legal dispute. The phrase "under the jurisdiction" means people who are subject to the law. Illegal aliens are still subject to the law. They can be arrested like anyone else. Who isn't? Diplomats with immunity, and invading armies subject to the laws of war.
If you are born in the US, and not the child of a diplomat or invading soldier, you are a citizen. Just as you would have been had you been born in England.
"See here for a clarification on what the 14th was actually supposed to mean."
You can find web pages on the internet arguing for anything, including a flat earth. It's wrong. People start with the conclusion they want to be true and find an argument for it.
That would not be the correct reading of the passage.
“If the child is legally a US citizen, a questionable practice but current interpretation of the law, then it’s not up to a state to decide she can’t have a birth certificate.”
Double standards, do ya think? On one hand the federal government claims total responsibility for the border and the States may not interfere or take any action whatsoever, but on the other the States must issue birth certificates because of federal law?
States should be telling the federal government to piss off.
"In other words, only children born to American citizens can be considered citizens of the United States since only a American citizen could enjoy the "extent and quality" of jurisdiction of an American citizen now.
That means that in all probability you aren't a citizen. Did your ancestors on both sides obtain citizenship before they had their children? If not, all descendants of those children could never be citizens unless they went through the naturalization process. How many US-born people do you think have gone through naturalization?
There has been a long standing problem of Mexican women saying they used a midwife in the Rio Grand valley because they couldn’t get to a hospital, gimme an American birth certificate.
Might even be true. My first daughter was born at home with a midwife.
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