Donald Trump: McCain’s a War Hero Because He Was Captured, (Video of the Exchange)

To: Enlightened1

Probably time for a review and some much needed FACT CHECKING!
If you still don’t believe the lapdog MSM is out to gut Trump, here’s another example of their typical yellow “journalism”.
https://sharylattkisson.com/fact-check-the-washington-post-on-donald-trump-and-john-mccain/

41 posted on 07/19/2015 4:09:39 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (This entire "administration" has been a series of Reischstag Fires. We know how that turned out!)

To: nickcarraway

Are you aware McCain participated in 30 propaganda videos for the North?

Well, first of all, that was AFTER he risked his life for his country. That's why he ended up a prisoner.

Okay, look, I'm going to argue my point but don't take it personally. I don't have anything against you.

There is every reason to believe McCain lost his aircraft because he was unfit to be flying in the first place. He didn't qualify for flight school. He graduated around 894th out of 899 people in his Annaplolis class. This would have prevented him from being a flight candidate. Despite this he was appointed before all but two of his classmates.

During training he was a terrible screw-off. He went out late, partied a lot, and didn't apply himself to the training. He flew one aircraft into the drink, and lied about why. His engine was checked out and there was nothing wrong with it. His flight instructor was over-ruled and McCain got his passing markes for only completeing 1/3rd to1/2 of the prescribed carrier landings to be certified.

This put his crews, him, and the operations he participated in at risk. That's not a war hero in my book.

As to his behavior as a prisoner, yes, it was bad. But that's nothing new. Some prisoners are heroic. But not all of them are. China developed highly effective methods of brainwashing during the Korean War. it would be nice if none of our service men were vulnerable to that, but unfortunately that's not possible. We put these people in risky circumstances and some of them are going to crack. It's nothing to be proud of, but we have to accept some will break. McCain was tortured and given poor medical care. Would anyone want to change places with him.

Those who served with McCain don't back up your accounting of his time at the Hanoi Hilton. He made an agreement by his own admisstion that assured him of favorable treatment just days into his stay there as a POW.

The fact is he completed his mission at the risk of his life and/or freedom. He was imprisoned for over five years for his country. He was offered to be released because of who his father was and declined, because of the propaganda it would give the communists.

Because of the propaganda value? Are you serious? The guy completed over 30 propaganda videos for the North and possibly as high as 38, them knowing he was the son of a big-wig. You honestly think McCain gave a rat's patoot about propaganda value?

This is bigger than just McCain. There were plenty of others in similar circumstance in that and other wars.

I am willing to agree that others don't say completely mute. They didn't give up the routes to deliver the hits on North Vietnam, and McCain did. He admitted it. It is rather persuasively argued he cost our airmen's lives, caused the shut down of certain delivery routes hurting our war efforts, and allow Vietnam to avoid retribution.

I deplore McCain's treatment of veterans, but attacking his service is no way to rectify what he did.

I don't think McCain's record stands up to scrutiny, and I'm not the only person to think this.

As for veterans, yes he did basically take a dump on them. He also took a dump on at least 1,000 MIAs in Vietnam, refusing to ever release information on them. Even eventually declaring only about 450 MIAs to be valid, he refused to release information on them either.

You may think I'm a bit unfair to John, but what I am doing to him is far less costly than what he saw fit to do to literally thousands of other POWs in Vietman,.

He did it by not letting anything stand in his way, giving his captors MFN status without any penalites or requirements whatsoever.

Go ahead and defend the guy. What he single-handedly did, was thousands of times worse than what Jane Fonda accomplished. Think about that for a while.

42 posted on 07/19/2015 4:10:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)

To: Enlightened1

Who is the “unnamed active marine” and who is Gale Courey Toesing?

There are these things called “google” and “bing”. Try doing your own research.

43 posted on 07/19/2015 4:11:13 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)

To: nickcarraway

It's interesting Trump is trashing McCain for his military service, but not for his liberal policies.

Why is it that you always believe the MSM and never believe FReepers, nick? Always.

Sharyl Attkisson: Washington Post Smeared Donald Trump; Misrepresented His Comments on John McCain

44 posted on 07/19/2015 4:11:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)

He is acting like a spoiled rich brat bully and hypocrite ...which..... is maybe his strategy..... take him with warts and all, if not - no biggie,

Ah!.. Richy Rich with Bart Simpson overtones.. I see..
resulting in the Beavis and Trumphead Show..

45 posted on 07/19/2015 4:11:32 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited (specifically) to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)

To: Kickass Conservative; All

Outstanding post!!!!

Well said and every Freeper should read this post.

Thanks again for NAILING IT ON THE HEAD!

Beautiful!

46 posted on 07/19/2015 4:12:16 PM PDT by Enlightened1

Name one thing in post #3 that’s BS.

47 posted on 07/19/2015 4:12:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)

To: nickcarraway

Nick, I just found this video. I have to go out, but I think it’s a rather interesting one on the topic from what I could tell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMcYqtayU7c

48 posted on 07/19/2015 4:17:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Conservatism: Now home to liars too. And we'll support them. Yea... GOPe)

They asked McCain these questions:

How many children do you have?

What are their ages?

What are their names?

Find out the answers here. Songbird McCain

49 posted on 07/19/2015 4:26:41 PM PDT by Karl Spooner

To: nickcarraway

I>"It's interesting Trump is trashing McCain for his military service, but not for his liberal policies."

(Second time today)
There's little to distinguish the two, Mc Cain's liberal policies have shaped the narrative & politicization of his military service. As someone else has noted, much like JFK campaigning on having lost a PT boat and a brother in WW2.

There is nothing heroic in McCain's post RVN resume and there is a lot of dissent concerning his wartime actions.

50 posted on 07/19/2015 4:27:46 PM PDT by norton

To: Enlightened1

You are too kind. I tend to ramble on in both the written word and verbally as well. Just ask anyone that knows me.

Then again, I do Post a few short but sweet Zingers here that are either amusing or bemusing to my fellow Freepers.

51 posted on 07/19/2015 4:42:15 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (If you can't beat them, try, try agan.)

To: nickcarraway

It was just reported that 50% of all California drivers licenses were given to illegals. Think about that.

52 posted on 07/19/2015 4:57:23 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)

To: nickcarraway

McCain for his military service, but not for his liberal policies.

You Lie!

53 posted on 07/19/2015 4:58:47 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)

Here are ten videos with names of fellow P.O.W.s, etc.... all talking about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzVxbUOn4EI&list=PL4CuAsd7HwsEYPrijBtqJch6PX5rLgwUl

54 posted on 07/19/2015 5:19:33 PM PDT by Enlightened1

To: Dick Bachert

Thanks for the link, and I agree with what you said!

55 posted on 07/19/2015 5:21:00 PM PDT by Enlightened1

To: Enlightened1

I’m well aware of most of this stuff from the 2008 election. Here’s an example:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1956209/posts

I’d be more than happy to see him retire or be replaced for many reasons. He has never stood up to 0bama, which is enough for me to believe he is a coward at heart.

56 posted on 07/19/2015 5:48:55 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)

Thanks for the link and I agree with what you said.

57 posted on 07/19/2015 6:03:15 PM PDT by Enlightened1

To: Enlightened1

58 posted on 07/19/2015 6:36:12 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)

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