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Whataburger takes stand against Texas' new open carry law
AP ^ | July 12, 2015 | By SETH ROBBINS

Posted on 07/12/2015 10:13:09 AM PDT by Crystal Palace East

Edited on 07/12/2015 10:37:24 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

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To: Crystal Palace East
“Proof would have to regard the specific event, at the specific place, at the specific time, under the exact circumstances.”

But wouldn't the Killeen event count, as the lady's testimony made clear she was in a position to shoot and stop the guy.

“Getting the drop” on "three," not sure where you came up with that number. Not sure what you mean by that statement. Why not say a dozen armed bikers, or 50? Most shootings by bad guys are singletons or at most one armed and a second not armed. Youtube has many videos showing the likely scenario. Besides, so what, just sit there and die because, well, you know you can't get them all, or shoot and have a chance, regardless of the numbers.

Shooting to stop the threat people can understand and support.

Open carry would have allowed her to access her weapon because it was clear from her testimony (at the link) that she was in a position to act, to shoot the soulless thug. Gun in her purse or on her hip, the weapon would have made all the difference in the world.

Even Ray Charles can see that! (exclamation point added because. . .well. . .because you had one).

;-)

81 posted on 07/12/2015 12:37:03 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: Leaning Right

One should not “need” a permit — period. “.. The right of the people to keep AND BEAR arms shall not be infringed ...” ( caps added)


82 posted on 07/12/2015 12:39:08 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (For in much wisdom is much vexation; and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.)
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To: waterhill

This is getting nuts,
except My Confederate Flag collection just increased in value 10 fold !

what’s a burger,

In n out,

Tacos24/7 !?

I ain’t concerned about What these others are doing,
They have done Enough already!


83 posted on 07/12/2015 12:41:26 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: LouAvul

I just had lunch at an upscale Tulsa burger and a brewski (I had a Diet Pepsi) joint (HopBunz) that had a sign for “No Open Carry” and I had mine under my T-shirt so no issues for me. The interesting thing here is that OK went OC 30 months ago and Whataburger didn’t do a thing for marking their stores at that time. Now their major market of TX goes OC and they feel a need to post “no OC” on the door. I’ll be watching if they carry it across the Red River. I’m generally a CC guy but the 100+ heat index days will make you consider OC.


84 posted on 07/12/2015 12:42:12 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: bert

you know what? if a private business is forced to participate in homo weddings because the SCOTUS decided homo marriage was a constitutional right, then business must be forced to allow open or concealed carry. otherwise, they are violating someones rights. they no longer have a right to refuse service...


85 posted on 07/12/2015 12:42:40 PM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: SeaHawkFan

I almost accused him of being a lawyer...:)


86 posted on 07/12/2015 12:46:22 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Unfortunately, there are no In-N-Out’s in my part of Texas. However, my grandson discovered them when they were in California last summer and he ate there three meals a day for an entire week. Whataburger used to be okay in a bind but we totally quit going there when all our local ones removed the American flag from their restaurant windows. It’s either something from Chic-A-Filet when we go out or nothing. Hamburgers at home are much better than we can get in any local restaurant.


87 posted on 07/12/2015 12:52:08 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

He’s a good guy. Let sleeping dogs...and all....may just tear your leg off at the hip... Law is a profound thing...


88 posted on 07/12/2015 12:54:17 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: Hulka

“Proof would have to regard the specific event, at the specific place, at the specific time, under the exact circumstances.” But wouldn’t the Killeen event count, as the lady’s testimony made clear she was in a position to shoot and stop the guy.

#1: That was her claim. Hillary claims she did nothing wrong with her emails... and is not gay.

#2: It would be no more admissible than others drivers testifying in an auto negligence case how they drove down same road and did not have an accident.

#3; Def lawyer asks plaintiff, “and so then Sir, after you drew your gun do you know would have happened?”

Plaintiff answer “I think..... “

Def lawyer “You think? You suppose? You guess? Tell me Sir, You have no idea exactly what would have happened, do you? You have no way of knowing what would have happened, do you? Tell the jury, Sir, how many armed robbery gunfights have you been involved in?

Is it not just as likely that one of the perps would have shot you? Would have shot one of the other 26 people in he place?

You have no idea what would have happened, do you?.

All claims would have been struck, after plaintiff was made to look like a fool.

The legal question here is very simple. Do private establishments have a legal duty to allow people to openly carry firearms to defend themselves against what might happen.

The legal answer is a resounding no.


89 posted on 07/12/2015 12:56:35 PM PDT by Crystal Palace East ("We Must All Hang Together, or Assuredly We Will All Hang Separately" B. Franklin)
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To: Big Red Badger

what???


90 posted on 07/12/2015 1:02:08 PM PDT by waterhill (I Shall Remain, in spite of __________.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

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I’ve never understood what is behind the open carry movement.

Are they trying to make people fearful of firearms?
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91 posted on 07/12/2015 1:09:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: bert

Want a booger sucks.


92 posted on 07/12/2015 1:11:28 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Arm_Bears

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Whatasoggyburger
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93 posted on 07/12/2015 1:12:12 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Grampa Dave

The second amendment limits what government can do, not what the people can do.


94 posted on 07/12/2015 1:15:48 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: bert

Fine, I’ll take a stand against WB. That’s easy enough. And I’m sure they’ll be losing more than a few customers. Businesses need to learn to produce a product and stay out of politics.


95 posted on 07/12/2015 1:16:40 PM PDT by bgill ( CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Heard all these transplant Calis brag about how great In N Out Burgers were and then some came to Texas. One got built by my home and had a long line the first few weeks it opened. Hardly has any traffic now. I tried it. Thought it was ordinary at best. Give me Whataburger. Heck, I’d eat Sonic before In N Out and Sonic is a longer drive.


96 posted on 07/12/2015 1:26:48 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (SECEDE TEXAS!! If not now, when?)
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To: waterhill

Excuse my generalized rant,

so much side noise it seems and little focus on the loss of our culture.


97 posted on 07/12/2015 1:33:34 PM PDT by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: bert

Sigh.. Well if this article is accurate, that’s highly disappointing. Whataburger is one of the best fastfood places around


98 posted on 07/12/2015 1:41:11 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: Svartalfiar
..For that reason, we don’t restrict licensed concealed carry but do ask customers not to open carry in our restaurants...

From the CEO's letter. Sounds like they aren't planning on putting the 30.07 sign up, just don't want to make a big fuss about it. But we shall see.
99 posted on 07/12/2015 1:47:05 PM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: T-Bird45

I was very much in favor of OK passing open carry as I was constantly concerned about the wind blowing up my shirt and revealing my sidearm. I don’t open carry as I don’t want to give my enemy any warning, but with the passage of the new law it meant that if someone saw my handgun they wouldn’t be able to simply report me for brandishing based upon merely having seen my gun.


100 posted on 07/12/2015 1:47:22 PM PDT by LouAvul (Venal and evil people are destroying the world you live in.)
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